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why we prefer HOA owned open space. In this particular one, the property lines are clear, you know where the open space starts, you know where the property lines are. Chair Jacobs: At Ashwick, we were accommodating the building to enable them to have more lots by having some of the property on private lots, were we not? Robert Davis: It ended up appearing like that. It looks different than it was. What actually happened was that there were additional requests for open space that went well beyond the 33%. When we got it to 56%, it was either give up on the difference between the 33 and the 56, or place the restrictions on those private properties. We chose sort of a mixture of the two. Unfortunately, the ones that we put the buffers on are the ones where they want to do something. As we've said in the past, I think Craig's mentioned it also, we probably need a more urban style flexible development than the one that works with the big developments. This 100-foot building setback runs through all of the ordinances— EDD, Planned Development, Subdivision Flexible Development; it's just that magic number that keeps popping up all through the ordinances. It's treated almost like a one size fits all, but it doesn't. Chair Jacobs: So, in a special use permit, you can request a different property setback. Robert Davis: In a PD process. Chair Jacobs: Mr. Barrett I think it was said, in the conservation option there are 20-22 lots, I counted 28. Which is it? Robert Davis: It's probably 28, I think he's looking at it from can you even site a house on it. Chair Jacobs: I have a question for the attorney. We have a study underway so we would actually get full cost of service for the Efland sewer system. Can we require this subdivision to pay the full cost of service, which is listed here as a condition of approval so that we don't have to subsidize these houses too just like we're doing for the $250,000 homes in Ashwick? Geof Gledhill: I think the rates for the sewer system approved by Orange County, have to be established in the County's sewer system rates. Chair Jacobs: I'd like to know, as part of this process, when we're going to get that study completed. It's underway. It's been underway for half of my lifetime. Willie Best: I'll get that information back to you. Chair Jacobs: In looking at the conventional design with all of those, I think it's nine lots on School House Road, are we going to require joint driveways, or are we going to have nine driveways? Robert Davis: What we were trying to do was those on the corner would actually take side street access. I think it ended up, it's in the actual resolution, I think there was about six of them that would do that. This was a starting point. We can certainly get to that point. I didn't put them in there at this time. I believe it was non-vehicular on lots 1, 7, and 10 on Tinnin Road and lots 15 and 41 at the new intersection with School House Road. Chair Jacobs: So, it's certainly feasible to do joint driveways for 8 and 9, 11 and 12, and 13 and 14.