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<br /> 549 acceptance that these can work. I think the skepticism that they will fail as the default opinion may
<br /> 550 no longer be, but whether they are appropriate for Orange County, I have no clarity on whether or
<br /> 551 not they have been deemed to be appropriate for Orange County, but I think that Randall Arendt
<br /> 552 did a very effective job of arguing that you cannot have conservation subdivisions without some
<br /> 553 sort of community wastewater treatment. It is just not possible. Because you need, especially if
<br /> 554 you are going to achieve a net density or you allow half acre or smaller lots in exchange for
<br /> 555 protecting 80 percent, you know, 50 to 80 percent of the entire property.
<br /> 556
<br /> 557 Venkat Yendapalli: Yeah, Chatham County is doing that already. I participated in some meetings.
<br /> 558
<br /> 559 Cy Stober: And, again,we can talk a lot more about this, but Tom has done a ton of research, Chatham is
<br /> 560 mostly on package plants actually, so well,we can provide an update on all that. We were
<br /> 561 surprised. We thought there would be a lot more community septic, but it is almost entirely
<br /> 562 package plants, and they have community water,which is a game changer in terms of you have
<br /> 563 solved 1l2 of the utility question in terms of introducing density and development and whether that
<br /> 564 is appropriate, again,for Orange County, but they made a huge investment in water infrastructure
<br /> 565 in Chatham County.
<br /> 566
<br /> 567 Perdita Holtz: Yeah,to be clear, it is community water. It is like mostly county wide. I mean, like most of
<br /> 568 Chatham County is served by a water system, but now it has actually merged with the one in
<br /> 569 Sanford, and it is called Tri Rivers Water, so it is actually, Lee, and Sanford's in Lee County for
<br /> 570 those of you who may not know, so it is a cross-county type of thing. To speak really quick, Chris,
<br /> 571 about, if staff were to summarize similar projects and what happened, it is really not fair to the
<br /> 572 applicant standing there with the application that is unique to them.
<br /> 573
<br /> 574 Chris Johnston: Compare it to something that had either did not go through or something along those lines maybe
<br /> 575 putting a finger on the scale. That is fair. Thank you. Sometimes it feels like we are having the
<br /> 576 same discussions over and over again on similar topics, and so a unifying threat, I guess, is what 1
<br /> 577 was looking for, but you are right. I mean, the moment you say,well, this one did not go through,
<br /> 578 and here is this one we are going through the process with,wink, wink, you know, that is tough.
<br /> 579
<br /> 580 Perdita Holtz: Right. I mean, people have a legal right to file applications and get their due process,and go
<br /> 581 through, and get a decision.
<br /> 582
<br /> 583 Lamar Proctor: So, it sounds like in No. 8 for concerns we have identified additional education about septic and
<br /> 584 package, community septic and package and then more connection with the board of county
<br /> 585 commissioners.
<br /> 586
<br /> 587 Perdita Holtz: Was the additional education on the wastewater systems to be added to concerns or emerging
<br /> 588 issues or was that just something that you all were requesting staff do next year?
<br /> 589
<br /> 590 Lamar Proctor: That is kind of why I mentioned it, so I mean,what do you all think? I mean, I am happy with just
<br /> 591 leaving it.
<br /> 592
<br /> 593 Perdita Holtz: How about if I add on No. 4 up above where it says continue training for Planning Board members
<br /> 594 and say including on wastewater. Was it just wastewater?
<br /> 595
<br /> 596 Meg Millard: It seems like also the community wells are important and what is his name,Arendt,the,from
<br /> 597 Maine.This whole discussion about conservation subdivisions because that all ties together. 1
<br /> 598 mean, it could all be one training or one discussion. Because they really tie together. I mean,we
<br /> 599 could just give everybody Chapter 19 of his book to read. It is not that long, and that is what he
<br /> 600 basically talked about was Chapter 19.
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<br /> 602 Cy Stober: I have it, and I can make copies of Chapter 19.
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