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Approved 7.10.24 Charity Kirk: Okay, so in the county, where are other large-scale apartment buildings or apartment buildings 1371 like this located? It seems like they're located much more, like if you look at R-2, R-2 was talking about being closer 1372 to cities, it seemed, for me. So is there a precedent for a development with these multifamily housings further in the 1373 county? Are there any examples you can think of? 1374 1375 Cy Stober: The only one that comes to my mind, and I'll defer to Tom given his experience with the county 1376 will be much longer than mine, but Settlers Point included some multifamily in it but that was being served by Town of 1377 Hillsborough Water and Sewer. That's at the present location of RTLP, south of the interstate. But otherwise, to my 1378 knowledge, multifamily has not been permitted through zoning by the county in recent history. We do a lot of 1379 duplexes by right. We see a limited number of those in the county. They're oddities, I'd say. But not, nothing more 1380 dense than duplexes. 1381 1382 Charity Kirk: So, if we want to allow this, the easiest way to allow it is to go into this rural neighborhood 1383 activity node and sort of pull it, pull all the land. Because that's where we can do the MPD-CD. 1384 1385 Cy Stober: So those are the corresponding amendments to the comprehensive plan and the UDO as well. 1386 The amendment to the MPD-CD along with the future land use classifications where MPD-CD is allowed, which is 1387 both the UDO amendment and the Appendix F amendment to the comprehensive plan, and then expansion of that 1388 node in the Future Land Use Map. So at present, no, you can't, that cannot be done. It would require these other 1389 amendments that have been applied for by the applicant to be approved. 1390 1391 Charity Kirk: So to the applicant, why should we allow this new and novel thing so far out into the county, 1392 this development that doesn't have a precedent? 1393 1394 Scott Radway: I don't want you to take this personally, but this kind of a design is not new and it is not novel, 1395 but it is – 1396 1397 Charity Kirk: I know the design isn't, it's just the location in our particular county. 1398 1399 Scott Radway: I want to make it, without offending anybody, make it clear that this is a compact neighborhood 1400 and it's designed to have single-family detached housing opportunity, front house which is attached unit opportunity 1401 and multifamily, and we're looking at multifamily opportunity, that's three buildings. And I'll get to your point, and from 1402 Cy, you've heard some zoning aspect pieces of it, but it's not a new and a novel, it's not a new and a novel design. 1403 You can tell from the discussion tonight that it's been very, very difficult to figure out how to do something that has 1404 been proven to be successful in many places in North Carolina, as well as many places in the United States, within 1405 the zoning ordinances and land use plan, for Orange County and in many discussions back and forth, the issue of 1406 the Master Plan Development CD, is the zoning district which provides the type of requirements and standards 1407 under which you could do this type of a district. It happens that there's a piece of property which is identified as 1408 being supportive of a rural neighborhood activity center that has part of it within that and I think you are right. The 1409 question is whether you, as a County, and whether you, as a board, look at this and see it as saying this is a location 1410 which, and forgetting the site itself and its character for a second, this is a location where the addition of 280 more 1411 people towards your comprehensive plan identification piece of 1,000 people might support the existing retail uses 1412 that are already there, not bring new competition to it, and to do so in a way that is practically invisible from the road 1413 and from the neighbor's property, and so these are the pieces that we have been putting together in this to look and 1414 say is this an appropriate place. As the applicant, we believe it's an appropriate place to do that and what we're 1415 asking you is to think with us along the way and if you think this has the benefit of being the type of community that 1416 you'd want, figure out how to do it so it's as good as what we've drawn or even better. 1417 1418 Charity Kirk: I mean me, personally, I like the vision, but we've dealt with this before where the vision was 1419 good but the location wasn't the right location and, right now, I feel like we're slotting this in, in a very awkward way to 1420