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25 Draft 1 we're thinking about this as a parking lot, our drive aisle standards for two-way traffic would 2 ask for 24-feet in width, and I believe it's 18 feet. Is that accurate? 3 4 T.0 Morphis: Yes. 5 6 Taylor Perschau: In terms of parking number, there's an allowance for the planning director to make a 7 determination in Section 6.9.8, it's specific to a determination for unlisted uses, so here, on 8 the original plan that was submitted, the special use permit asked us for a Camp use. So, the 9 proposed parking would not meet the Camp use looking at the 95 acres. It would meet the 10 Camp use looking at the 12 acres. The plan that we were looking at, they also had parking 11 based on school use. So, actually the argument for the 12-acre calculation was also new to 12 me tonight. The plan I was previously looking at had a calculation that got to 24 spaces based 13 on using the calculation of the school use. So, we're looking at two new things to me tonight. 14 And I do think that we have maybe the planning director has some insight onto how we should 15 get moving on these ones. 16 17 Cy Stober: If, the only issue was the parking demand for the camp use I would likely have an opinion and 18 approve the parking as adequate for 12 acres, and we'd be comfortable with that as an 19 administrative matter, not before the Board. So, our private road standards allow some 20 discretion for emergency services to make the determination on whether a private road meets 21 their needs for access. And that really is at the professional discretion of the fire marshal. 22 And so, these have varied over the years. There is a metric, which Taylor already mentioned 23 of 24 feet of width. We have many private roads that are, under 20 is less common, but 20 24 feet in width, or some that include a graded but unsurfaced shoulder to allow for emergency 25 access. So, a term of approval could take into consideration the discretionary authority of the 26 emergency services staff, or even the director to approve the access on that road. And the 27 conflict I think has already been well-articulated tonight and it concerns both an emergency 28 access and trying to avoid a conflict between the drive values and parking needs, and I think 29 these are temporary parking needs. Our primary concern and my primary concern is about 30 permanent parking for staff and any parents that are going to be there longer than 10 or 15 31 minutes. Effectively, what we're hearing from the applicant this evening is that that parallel 32 parking is largely to be used for simply long-term queueing if you want to think about it. It's 33 not kiss and go, as you see at most schools. It going to be what Mr. Mallet described, which 34 is hop out, hop in, which can take, you know, longer, and we will have congestion likely, but 35 nothing that they haven't already been experiencing on the site. So that's the conflict we're 36 attempting to avoid with the parking and drive aisle concerns that staff has expressed. But 37 he has to reiterate onto the first point if it was left to my discretion, I'd be comfortable with the 38 12-acre camp use being satisfying with the parking provided. 39 40 Patrick Mallett: That's great to contextualize this, and I don't think we've ever cast any serious doubts to the 41 fact that it needs to be something less than what you would normally calculate. And then 42 there is a provision or called into question the appropriateness of their methodology. It's really 43 the spacing and the adequate access, and what is adequate in terms of the width and the 44 length for both purposes. 45 46 Leon Meyers: Okay. 47 48 T.C. Morphis: I had just two thoughts. One, I want to apologize to staff. We weren't trying to play gotcha by 49 presenting this document this evening. There's been a lot of back and forth, and the staffs 50 doing a great job working with this sort of unusual existing site, so apologies in that regard. 25