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32 1 Commissioner Hamilton referred to slide#46, that showed a planned community that kept 2 open space while achieving density. She said that there is a tension of being in an urban area 3 that does not have open space. She said they also must keep in mind the diversity of people's 4 preferences. She said it really makes the conversation about smart growth and urban sprawl very 5 complex. 6 Cy Stober said that can be part of the comprehensive land use planning because they can 7 add Orange County's definition of modern urban sprawl. He said that could be a critical part of 8 the plan. He said it can be added by a deeper dive and be available in the spring and summer so 9 the commissioners can discuss. 10 Vice-Chair Greene asked how they would get input from the municipalities. 11 Cy Stober said they have already surveyed the planning directors. He said that they could 12 reach back out to the managers or the planning directors to have the conversation but if you look 13 at the activity nodes in the county, they have not been developed. He said that most people are 14 still coming to the urban centers because the land use plan has not been fulfilled. 15 Vice-Chair Greene said that all the commissioners were interviewed as stakeholders in 16 the process. She said that municipal elected officials are also stakeholders and asked that they 17 be included. 18 Commissioner Richards explained her confusion with the transitions between slides 45 19 and 46. She said that there is a challenge shown and then the next slide is straight to smart growth 20 without dealing with the stuff the red x's were shown on. She said that the answers were given 21 without a conversation about how to answer those challenges. She said they have competing 22 needs which must be addressed. She said it is telling of the dichotomies. She asked how the 23 nodes will be developed when people have moved to a location for the existing environment. 24 Commissioner McKee asked at what point the changes in current regulations come into 25 this. He said that he has experienced a business in one of the nodes that was almost impossible 26 to rebuild due to regulations. He said that it was no fault of the owner, but they had to rebuild or 27 abandon, and the regulations made it almost impossible. He said that he understands the 28 attractiveness but noted the denser developments would require sewer and water. 29 Vice-Chair Greene said she thought that smart growth would occur in municipalities and 30 that this type of development would not occur in the rural areas. 31 Leigh Anne King said that it is the industry expectation. 32 Vice-Chair Greene said that she was not saying that this would be done in rural Orange 33 County. 34 Commissioner McKee said that still creates a problem. He said that if you have a piece of 35 property on any of the major thoroughfares or are close enough to get infrastructure it creates a 36 two-tier property value system and that is an inequity in itself. 37 Vice-Chair Greene said that Orange County has demonstrated that they value preserving 38 farmland. 39 Commissioner McKee said that his point is that there is always a cost. He said that one 40 cost of the direction Orange County has been in a long time is that they are losing lower and 41 moderate-income people, and he does not know how to address it. He wants to be careful not to 42 price out lower and moderate-income people. 43 44