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Agenda 09-17-19 Item 5-a - Public Hearing on Refinancing Existing Loan Obligations
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Agenda 09-17-19 Item 6-a - Refund Request from John C. and Judith K. Guibert, Lake Orange Property
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Agenda 09-17-19 Item 8-b - Refund of Overpayment of Excise Tax
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Agenda 09-17-19 Item 8-c - FY 2019-20 Home and Community Care Block Grant for Older Adults Funding Plan
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Agenda 09-17-19 Item 8-d - Amendments to North Chatham Fire Protection and Emergency Services Agreement
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Agenda 09-17-19 Item 8-e - Link Building Remediation Project – Rejection of Bids
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RES-2019-036 Resolution for Denial of Tax Refund Request – John C. Guibert III
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RES-2019-057 Resolution supporting an application to the LGC for its approval of a County financing agreement for the refinancing of existing loans
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15 <br /> <br />the same property, and because of that, staff cannot say this was an unlawful tax, or an issue of <br />double taxation, even though two parties were paying the tax on it. He said they both had, what <br />appeared to be, lawful claims based on their recorded documents. He said, based on the risk to <br />the Board for refunding a tax outside of those three purposes, he recommends denying the <br />refund. <br />Commissioner Marcoplos clarified that the County cannot be reasonably responsible for <br />sorting out these land issues, wherever they may occur. <br />Nancy Freeman said that is correct. <br />Commissioner Marcoplos said the County may have received taxes from both parties, <br />and perhaps someone is due a refund, but it is not the County’s responsibility to be there at the <br />transaction, to examine transactions, and confirm that all i’s are dotted and t’s are crossed. <br />John Roberts said that is correct. <br />Commissioner Marcoplos said that makes sense. <br />Commissioner Greene referred to the abstract, which states: “If the issue were not <br />determined as double taxation, the Board would be at risk of personal liability to anyone in the <br />County who challenged it,” and asked if the “it” could be defined. <br />John Roberts said the refund. He said if this is not an unlawful tax, not for an unlawful <br />purpose, and is not a clerical error, but if the Board issues a refund anyway, then each Board <br />member who votes in favor of a refund, is personally liable for the refund. <br />Commissioner Greene asked if those with standing to challenge it could be identified. <br />John Roberts said any taxpayer in the County. <br />Commissioner Marcoplos said staff mentioned there are a lot of instances of <br />overlappage in the County, and asked if these property owners have been contacted. <br />Michael Burton said typically property owners find out by hiring a surveyor, who defines <br />the land and the properties which people own, and attorneys are responsible for doing the title <br />search and history. He said any overlaps that arise should be disclosed to the purchaser when <br />buying a property. He said the mapping world does show these as conflict lines, now that the <br />age of GIS has come a little further. He said the original cadaster of the mappings show the <br />615-620 contour line being owned by Lake Orange, Inc. He said Lake Orange was created <br />because the Town of Hillsborough was running out of water, and it was to be a water supply. <br />Commissioner Marcoplos asked if he had overlappage, of which he was unaware, would <br />he receive a letter from the County. He said it sounds like the County knows of some of these <br />instances. <br />Michael Burton said the last time these types of issues were discovered was in the <br />1980s, and property owners were sent letters, and asked to bring in documents, so that the <br />County could put it on record. He said the maps still depict the conflict lines as the mappers <br />find them. <br />Commissioner Price said it seems that the burden is on the homeowner. <br />Commissioner Greene asked if this is a situation that a person’s title insurance would <br />take care of. <br />Michael Burton said possibly. <br />Commissioner Greene asked John Roberts if there have been any reported cases on <br />the argument that Commissioner Dorosin and she are making about an equitable solution of <br />unjust enrichment, when the government gets paid twice for the same taxable land. <br />John Roberts said he does not know of any, and has researched this topic at a previous <br />time, but not in this instance. <br />Commissioner Bedford asked if she voted yes to the refund, and a resident objected, if <br />she would liable for the $1,622 one time back to the County, or to every single taxpayer. <br />John Roberts said one time back to the County. He said he is not sure that this would <br />happen, but it is his job to advise the Board of risk.
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