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Item 3.a DRAFT 7 216 Nish Trivedi: As part of your recommendation, would you be asking for removing curb and gutter on all these projects? 217 The focus for these staff recommendations is to modernize the roads, get 11-foot travel lanes and bike lanes. 218 219 Randy Marshall. I think so. Curb and gutter and sidewalk can't happen. We don't have a municipality to maintain, and we 220 should never put it in there. 221 222 Eric Broo: Would that be deemed by the DOT as too costly, nixing the project when we could otherwise get 80% of what 223 we really want? 224 225 Jenn Sykes: Does changing it up the probability of a higher score? 226 227 Nish Trivedi: Cost is a scoring criteria, reducing the cost may improve its score. 228 229 Matt Day: Curbs and gutters will be more expensive. 230 231 Nish Trivedi: Without curb and gutter, there will be no bike lane,just a 4-foot paved shoulder. 232 233 Matt Day: That will be cheaper and improve the score. We are working on ways to improve the modernization aspect so 234 they do not compete with capacity aspects. Perhaps scale differently. 235 236 Heidi Perry: What about bike counts as a provision like along Dairyland Road?There are more cyclists there on weekends 237 then cars. 238 239 Randy Marshall: If you're proposing to do a four-foot bike lane, that would wipe out the ditch, and you would have to do 240 the ditch beyond that and buy the right of way which would run the score down. 241 242 Nish Trivedi: And the length of the road. In SPOT 5.0 the length of Old Greensboro Road was from Alamance County into 243 DCHC MPO. It was not broken into segments. Matt, If we have a projects list and they cover a whole road, can we in the 244 MPO/RPO technical committees and submit only a portion of it? 245 246 Matt Day: As long as there's a logical reason for why we're breaking it at a certain point. 247 248 Nish Trivedi: This list is to get the whole corridor. In the MPO/RPO meetings, they will be divided into separate sections 249 for better scoring. That is why as part of staff recommendations we are providing you the two bases for breaking the 250 segments, Traffic Count(AADT) and Crashes (number and severity) both are variables used in calculating the quantitative 251 scores. 252 253 Heidi Perry: I would like to keep all these on here for discussion. I agree with Randy regarding removing the curb and 254 gutters and keeping them on here as paved shoulders. I would like for there to be some way of saying that the shoulder 255 should be able to withstand the same amount of traffic as the roads. 256 257 Nish Trivedi: That's why staff is recommending these as highway modernization projects, to bring that whole road to a 258 current standard, not just a road with a 2-foot paved shoulder but to ensure sufficient shoulder for safety purpose and/or 259 bike lane. 260 261 Heidi Perry: At some point, we might be able to add another foot to each of these and make them true bike lane projects. 262 I think we need to keep them on here as they are just so they don't go away without some reason for removing them. 263 264 Nish Trivedi: When MPO/RPOs submit highway projects to NCDOT, they must provide a standard street cross section 265 they want the road to be for scoring purpose. 266 267 Matt Day: When we submit these to DOT we have to pick one of their standard cross sections that we submitted it as. 268 We can write in the description what we'd like if one of those standard cross section doesn't exactly match up with what we 269 want.