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16 <br />limited. Ms. Conti asked to respond to Ms. DeSenna. The facilitator said that she may do so after <br />the meeting is adjourned. <br />Rachel Heller–Works as a nurse in the Division of Plastic Surgery at UNC Hospitals. We take <br />care of a lot of patients who have been hit with gun fire. It’s devastating. Many of them are <br />uninsured and so cared for by North Carolina taxpayers and by those of us who are insured. Said <br />that she does not know if the draft ordinance addresses the hours at which one may shoot. We <br />have neighbors who shoot at night. It seems to be unsafe as far as being able to see any target. It <br />is frightening to hear people shooting guns at night, and wondering how they know they are not <br />shooting at someone walking passed. Also does not know if the draft ordinance addresses how <br />far from structures a shooter should be in order to ensure safety. I think the draft ordinance <br />should havesuch provisions. Also do not know if the ordinance defines “sustained shooting.” <br />There was a lot of discussion tonight about what a reasonable person might find acceptable; there <br />is a big difference between a situation in which you know your neighbors are shooting for a brief <br />period of time and neighbors shooting for hour. Some of our neighbors shoot for hours. Also <br />does not know if the draft contains any definition of what is considered a safe berm for target <br />practice, and whether it has to be any number of feet away from structures. It is good to know <br />that the Sheriff’s Department will entertain complaints about shooting. We did not even know <br />we could call and say, “Is everything OK at that house?” Sometimes we are concerned that what <br />we are hearing is not recreational shooting. I don’t know how from a distance one can discern <br />whether there is a violent incident taking place in a home vs. just shooting, or what a reasonable <br />period is for shooting to be sustained. Thank you for doing this. <br />Kevin Brown–Referenced the decision made tonight in section (h) that for a prima facie case to <br />be made complaints must be made by two persons and a law enforcement officer. Is concerned <br />that a person shooting in an unreasonably loud and disturbing manner would see the law <br />enforcement officer coming, stop the shooting, and so not provide the officer with sufficient <br />cause; said that he hopes when he complains about his neighbor he can suggest that the officer <br />not drive down the road, but stop somewhere out of the shooter’s sight to listen. Also referenced <br />Dr. Arvik’s statement during the meeting that the Second Amendment allows you to bear arms. <br />Said that the right exists to bear arms but not to discharge them any way you want to; there <br />should be restrictions on the times and places.This gets overlooked as much as the “well- <br />regulated militia” gets overlooked. Thank you for your work; this is excellent. <br />Michael Jorling–Said that he is related to Committee member Sara Conti. Thanked the <br />Committee for all its work. Said that sometimes we have to give us some freedom or space that <br />we would rather not. I own guns and grew up around them, he said. Sometimes for the greater <br />good we need to consider everyone, what works and what does not. It’s not so much about <br />giving up freedom asit is about learning to live together. We’re all in this together. Sometimes <br />we –myself included --get honed in on not wanting anyone to step our toes orto come onto our