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want to have preservation of rural character. These two groups are <br />not coming together and there is the perception that people wanting <br />to preserve rural character are trying to make the current land <br />owners make all the sacrifices, i.e., you can't do with your land <br />what you want to do.'; Bob Strayhorn said that's often what you hear <br />when you attend. hearings on development proposals. Elio Soldi said <br />preservation of open space and protecting the land owner's rights <br />were two statements on which there seemed to be agreement. He said <br />there was a conflict between the two and the question was if <br />something creative could be found to minimize the conflicts. Judd <br />Edeburn mentioned that some of the plans presented by the students <br />incorporated recommendations such as setbacks that seemed to <br />address some of the concerns being expressed the group. Soldi said <br />it was important to him that the people who owned the land not be <br />forced or prevailed upon to give up what they had worked for. He <br />also said it was important to him that as much of the scenery <br />everyone enjoys now be kept too. He said as the group goes through <br />its discussions it needs to sort out areas of consensus knowing <br />there will be areas of conflict too. As conflicts are identified, <br />the group can then try to identify ways to minimize them. <br />Verla Insko said it sounded like he (Elio Soldi) would like for the <br />two principles (agreed upon statements) to guide the groups's <br />discussions. Bob Hall said it was similar to the notion of <br />takings, that the 'group was opposed to government takings of <br />people's land. Lee.'Rafalow cautioned that "takings" was a loaded <br />term. Hall said that was why he was using it, that we need to be <br />clear that we're not trying to take people's land. Insko suggested <br />more discussion.on the first statement of letting landowners reap <br />benefits. Judd Edeburn asked who owned the University Station <br />lands now, the farmers who once farmed it or investors? He asked <br />if the ability of the investor to reap benefits was any different <br />from the farmer who owned it originally? Insko said this was a <br />good point. Rafalow said this was why the term "reap benefits" was <br />not terribly helpful; he suggested "fair value" as an alternative. <br />He said it had in it some sense that fairness was built in. <br />Verla Insko said t`he statements needed to be re- organized and <br />suggested that 'staff work on them. Lee Rafalow said he didn't want <br />to discount all the ideas group members contributed because he <br />thought there were a lot of good ones presented. He suggested <br />focusing on the two key issues. He said if everyone agreed to the <br />first starred point on the flip chart (retain current character), <br />then the students' option for a transit oriented development was <br />inappropriate for the community. Elio Soldi suggested not taking <br />the discussion that far at this point. Meg McKean asked if this <br />wasn't an example of why this (Rafalow's comments on a development <br />option) was important, i.e., a population cap. Are we talking <br />about a future for 50,000 people or 10,000 people? Insko said it <br />would seem to depend if the population was concentrated in a one <br />mile corridor or spread out in one acre tracts, but she didn't know <br />to answer to the question. <br />15 <br />