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Don't think conventional five acre lot subdivisions are exciting enough for expedited review. Want to save it for something she really wants to see. Bob: He is just adamant the other Five acre lots excites him much than living_ in a cluster development. %%erla: How about five acre lot with four acres in preserved open space? Lee: What does it mean to have five acres with 30% open space? The whole thing about the building envelope in FDO is another one of these things that is a little crazy. You say you can only put one house on it and then you create a building envelope that specifies 501,-b of the land. Well, 80% of land is outside of building envelope anyway. Judd: The trick here is to provide a place in the Stoney Creek area where Bob would be happy to live - might be a five or ten acre lot - and to provide a place in area where 70% of the open space on a tract is preserved and those folks who live in the other 30% are happy that they're there and when they ride by Bob's place it preserves rural character and when he rides by the entrance to their place all he sees is the 70% open space. So they don't want to live exactly in the same house or neighborhood, but in the Stoney Creek neighborhood there are enough options and the design guidelines make both places attractive to both sets of people. Bob: That's what we have right now in the area. Clint: How do we develop enough incentives to get developers to `,o beyond minimum? Meg: We lay out options and market will detennine what is built. Elio: We are losing sight because we are debating our own preferences. View should be if this is an option that somebody may use - I may not use it - but as long as it does not prevent me from using my option why should I object. Dan: Have another suggestion to add, expedited review for people willing to donate parkland. Group discussion on desirability of parkland especially athletic fields with lights and compatibility with goals of preserving rural character and property values. Verla: We can ask subcommittee to wrestle with the options under which expedited review may be appropriate. Clint: May be able to address that as part of item six because if the recreation uses are preserving open space then maybe we could allow in yellow as well other areas, i.e., unlit parks. Judd: On rural design guidelines, would it not be expected that one would follow them as part of the development process? Clint: If ,.!ou were doing conventional development you wouldn't have to follow guidelines. Lee: Believe that if you are calling yourself an open space development and applying for density bonuses associated with it, then rural design guidelines would apply. Gene: Yes. Verla: Send that back to subcommittee to address. we