Agenda - 05-01-2018 8-a - Minutes

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8 can support the purchase of the land, but feels that budget constraints should play a part in 1 prioritizing what is built. 2 Travis Myren asked if Commissioner McKee would want the price for doing the grading 3 work for the three facilities. 4 Commissioner McKee said he would like to price the detention center only. 5 Commissioner Burroughs seconded Commissioner McKee’s comments, and said she 6 questions if these projects need to be completed so soon. She said she would continue to 7 caution the Board of County Commissioners (BOCC) to consider what can be delayed, and 8 while building in the future may be more expensive, that is true of every project being 9 considered in all areas of the County. 10 Commissioner Rich asked if the proposed detention center would the have room for 11 expansion in the future, beyond the capacity of 144 detainees. 12 Travis Myren said yes, up to 250. 13 Commissioner Rich asked if this would entail additional construction down the road, or 14 if the building will be constructed now, and used at a later date. 15 Jeff Thompson said the infrastructure would be prepared to expand to 250, include the 16 subgrade work, but there would be no actual walls. 17 Bonnie Hammersley said it will be only a 144 bed facility, but with the capability of 18 expanding to 250 beds; for example the kitchen will have the ability to serve a population of 19 250, but there will be no additional empty cells. 20 Commissioner Rich said it is being built to capacity for the services, but not having the 21 full capacity beds at this time. She said at one point there was discussion of having a place at 22 the facility where one can be brought who is not necessarily getting arrested, but may be in 23 need of mental health services. She asked if this is still part of the discussion. 24 Travis Myren said it is not in the current facility price. 25 Sheriff Blackwood said there was a trip to the WakeBrook facility in Wake County, 26 which is mental health facility that accepts people in custody as well as those who come in off 27 the street. He said Orange County had the thought of doing that with 6-8 rooms at this 28 detention site that were off by themselves and could provide wrap around services to help 29 people on the street get to a secure and safe alternative. He said this discussion came about 30 as possibly being a great opportunity to serve an underserved population that does not belong 31 in the jail or in the emergency room. 32 Chair Dorosin asked if these rooms are in this design now. 33 Sheriff Blackwood said this was just a vision, and a what if. He said the number of 34 beds is all over the place and changes frequently. He said he does not know if 250 beds will 35 be needed, but the 126 beds at the current jail are insufficient. 36 Commissioner Price said there have been other examples around the country where 37 the WakeBrook model does work, and there are chairs instead of beds in unsecure locations. 38 Commissioner Price referred to page 32 in CIP Notebook, and said the numbers are 39 different than those on the slide. She said the first sentence on page 32 says $1,250,000 were 40 spent in prior years and included in the architectural/engineering costs. She asked if these 41 funds have already been expended. 42 Jeff Thompson said some has been expended, but most has not. 43 Commissioner Price asked if the $12 million includes any more architectural funds. 44 Jeff Thompson said no. 45 Commissioner Price asked if it numbers in today’s handout could be clarified. 46 Travis Myren referred to page 32, and said those numbers were an estimate for a 47 stand-alone detention facility. He said the first row, of the table on page 13 of the PowerPoint 48 presentation, removes the site work and acquisition costs out of the $19.9 million five-year 49 total. 50