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APPROVED 5/4/16 5 words, displays, or characters. So you can’t have the adult cabaret or .. that has suggestive descriptive sign. You can 214 still have that regulation because there are actually court cases that say, you have the right as a community to not 215 allow this. We’re still allowing you to have your sign, but you can’t have lewd or lascivious displays or characters. 216 217 Michael Harvey continued presentation. 218 219 Craig Benedict: What could be an issue is you have the flag exemptions. If somebody flies a confederate flag, that’s 220 not listed. 221 222 Michael Harvey: Flags are the one issue that James and I are having a lot of… Craig is referring to page 36… 223 problems with. Currently this proposal says United States, State of North Carolina, Orange County flags are exempt 224 from regulations. It used to say flags, emblems or insignia of any national, state, or political subdivision. I don’t 225 consider the confederate flag to be a sign, I consider it to be a flag, I don’t think it’s an advertising material and I don’t 226 think it’s necessarily regulated by the sign ordinance. Whether or not I think the sign should or shouldn’t be flown is a 227 different discussion. But, this is where we get into a content problem. What happens when McDonalds has a 500 228 square foot flag that just has the big M on it? If you’re exempting flags… If the whole goal of the sign ordinance is to 229 say everyone is going to be operating from the same page in terms of allowable signage you do have to draw the line 230 somewhere. And what constitutes advertising and what doesn’t. 231 232 Tony Blake: Why can’t you regulate the size of the flag? 233 234 Michael Harvey: You could probably establish a regulation that says flags only of this size… 235 236 Tony Blake: Because over a certain size they do become an advertisement. They’re a focal point. 237 238 Michael Harvey: But I also would argue that if you say it’s 32 square feet of flag, why can’t I be patriotic and have a 239 64 square foot American flag. Why are you limiting my ability to fly a larger American flag? And then I lose the court 240 case on a totally different issue. 241 242 James Lea: Not to mention in a residential area. Can residents fly flags? If so, how big, what kind? 243 244 Lisa Stuckey: Also, you could have 22 flags. That’s a sign. 245 246 Michael Harvey: Again, I don’t think that… You have a banner that has a kitten hanging from a tree in your garden, 247 should I count that? I don’t think I should. 248 249 Paul Guthrie: I think limiting what you do with flags is probably a good idea. Because, for instance, you tell the 250 counsel general or Guatemala that he can’t fly the Guatemalan flag outside the consulate general’s office. Of course 251 not. 252 253 Michael Harvey: Well that’s a good example but it’s a good example for a different reason. I would argue that when 254 you have an embassy that’s not technically regulated under local law anyway. It’s covered in a diplomatic immunity. 255 256 Paul Guthrie: It’s immunity there but what do you say to a Quebec citizen who lives in Orange County and flies the 257 Quebec Flag? What do you say to them? The only thing you can do is you’re using content as the basis for your 258 regulation. 259 260 Kim Piracci: This is related to a question that keeps running through my head. Is there ever a problem with 261 differentiating art and signage? 262 263 Michael Harvey: I’m sure that there could be. What is it? If you have a piece of art that’s meant to convey an 264 advertising message, that’s content, what’s the purpose and intent of the structure? That’s where we always get into 265 a foul area of what do you do? And on page 36, you’ll notice we’ve added the golden arches. The golden arches at 266