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9 a new category titled “Finance of Insurance consistent with NAICS code” in a future draft. That’s where you get into insurance 433 brokers, you get the laundry list of activity that all makes up a financial institution besides just bank. Its stockbrokers, it’s 434 insurance. 435 436 Lydia Wegman: So you’re expecting to have that whole list in here? 437 438 Michael Harvey: Yeah. It’s going to be broken out in its own separate category. 439 440 Paul Guthrie: You can get some, probably not in Orange County, but you can get banking as some guy sitting in a room with 441 three computers. 442 443 Michael Harvey: So beauty and barbershop. Again, we’ve kind of broken down what we’ve found in the NAICS code to sort of 444 broaden that out. It’s not just a beauty and barber shop, it can also be manicure/pedicure care, massage non-therapeutic, day 445 spa, bath house, steam rooms, etcetera. This is again, the granular level of detail we’re going to have to be going for. 446 447 Paul Guthrie: I was just looking at the mining. To my knowledge there’s been no indication of coal, for instance, in Orange 448 County. Wouldn’t you eliminate that from your list? 449 450 Michael Harvey: No, because then somebody could claim it’s permitted because we didn’t list it and then not say it’s allowed. 451 452 Paul Guthrie: So you think they’d go dig in a hole for something else? 453 454 Michael Harvey: Yes. Well here’s what I don’t want Paul, this actually goes more to your point. What I don’t want is for 455 somebody to claim that you didn’t list it, therefore it’s permitted, and it’s unregulated, and we can do whatever we want, and 456 we’re going to give it a try, and then you hit something else. 457 458 Lisa Stuckey: So I have a question going back to this beauty and barbershops. Is that a heading or an individual category? I 459 see that manicure and pedicure is indented, what’s the significance of that indentation? 460 461 Michael Harvey: We were providing you a synopsis of how beauty and barbershop would have to become its own independent 462 category and then be broken down further. 463 464 Lisa Stuckey: Ok, because you guys have left out hair cutting. 465 466 Michael Harvey: Yeah, we didn’t capture everything… It gets even worse when you get to page 41 and you get to office and 467 personal services, where the NAICS code actually provides you some personal services that include grooming services. So, 468 these are issues that we’re going to have to be resolving and working with you all. 469 470 Lisa Stuckey: Right. So is it an individual category or a sub category is very important? 471 472 Tony Blake: But that’s again back to what I was trying to get to earlier… Are some of these categories meant to be accessory 473 uses? I mean why would they list them in two different places? 474 475 Michael Harvey: The best answer I’m going to give you is you don’t need to look at this from the standpoint… I think if you 476 continue to look at this in the standpoint of whether it’s a principal or accessory you’re going to get lost in the weeds. You 477 need to look at this as these are principal uses. And the weeds are going to get thick anyway. My job here tonight is I’m 478 providing you some specific examples, you’re giving me some direction, which I appreciate, and I think you’re getting the idea 479 of the complexity that this is going to be. You’re going to have these types of conundrums. And it gets worse as I point out on 480 page 41 with retail where you have 60 independent land uses that constitute retail. With restaurants you get to the same 481 problem. You’ve got 30 different uses for restaurants so a lot of these are going to become their own, new land use category 482 with a list of uses. And we’re going to be recommending where they go. Right now we just have a general colloquial term 483 building contractors. The NAICS code breaks it down even further. Residential building contractors, heavy and civil 484 engineering construction offices, this is the level of detail that we’re going to be looking to provide. 485 486 16