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109 Patrick Mallett: If you’re doing homes you would have to have a lot, you would have to have a septic system; you would have 110 to have a well, making permanent connections. 111 112 Tony Blake: But if you’re doing a mobile home park it’s different? And that would follow that same standard. 113 114 Patrick Mallett: Yeah. Because there’s not a lot so it’s a space… Conventional standards are from the driveway. And they’re 115 really designed so that people can come in and come out and emergency services can service and solid waste can service 116 them. One of the interesting things that is… A tiny home is the only way that you can get a single bedroom septic system. 117 118 Lisa Stuckey: Could those houses made out of container boxes? 119 120 Patrick Mallett: As long as you can build it to a standard it could be made out of recycled plastic. But it has to meet a code. 121 122 Lydia Wegman: Does it have to meet a building code of some kind? 123 124 Tony Blake: Well it has to meet a mobile home standard. 125 126 Patrick Mallett: The HUD standards for Mobile Homes, yeah. 127 128 Tony Blake: But the problem is with the tiny homes is that cost per square foot is so much greater than it is for a mobile home. 129 And so it’s hard to justify. 130 131 Lisa Stuckey: But they’re taking those containers and making them into houses. But it’s the same, are they mobile or not 132 mobile? 133 134 Patrick Mallett: Yeah, exactly. And what standard are the built to, and what type of utilities are the hooked up to (permanent or 135 not)? This is part 2 of those 4 text changes that are moving through. Michael’s got one of them that will be part 3. I see it as a 136 step in the right direction and at least we can give the people some answers and some guidance versus you can live in a 137 camp retreat center if you get it approved. So our goal is to get this one to the February Public Hearing. 138 139 Tony Blake: One more question. How does this fit with accessory use, or does it? 140 141 Patrick Mallett: It’ll be the same as it applies for others. There’s supervision in there for the sheds. So let’s say you had an RV 142 park, you had common open space, it’s owned by the landlord, and you have a caretaker. Theoretically you could get a shed 143 and for an extra $5 a month you get a shelf in the storage accessory structure. But the same rules would apply as accessory 144 shed structures. 145 146 Paul Guthrie: I’ve got a question. We have some in my house that watch all these tiny building shows that are on TV, so that’s 147 my exposure. But one of the things those show is that there’s a growing range of cost on things of a similar size. Has there 148 been any effort or any movement towards trying to get some more common definitions of these various alternatives? 149 150 Patrick Mallett: That’s the affordable housing part of this that Ashley is involved in. We’re getting into the mobile home park 151 and the RV park part of it. The sustainability, affordability part is a much bigger then, and then defining it. I think they’ve spent 152 a long time trying to define. 153 154 Paul Guthrie: There’s a broad range in those general exposures. 155 156 Patrick Mallett: Exactly. You ask 10 people what a tiny home is and 5 of them are probably going to say, “Like that show” and 157 the other 5 are going to have very different opinions in what that is. But by far I think the most common product has wheels on 158 it and a chasse and is built to either no standard or an RV standard. 159 160 Lydia Wegman: So should we expect some changes following your meeting with the attorneys and? 161 162 27