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324 Lisa Stuckey- And that’s true. When I went to NC State only freshmen were guaranteed student housing on campus. 325 With everyone else it was a lottery and maybe 10 percent got in. So the local community had to absorb the rest of 326 them. 327 328 Tony Blake: But the students definitely skew the statistics and I would recommend that you at least put a statement in 329 there about students because when I read it… 330 331 Kim Piracci- There are empty dorms? 332 333 Audrey Spencer-Horsley- There are empty dorms. 334 335 Tony Blake: There are a lot of empty dorms that UNC has said are too expensive to refurbish. The big one is down 336 near the Friday Center, it’s huge. 337 338 Lisa Stuckey: I know there was a policy because I was on the Carolina North Committee and there was a lot of 339 pressure on the University from the community, a bed for every head, and that if they were going to grow they were 340 going to build dorms. And they built them. 341 342 Audrey Spencer-Horsley- And I can tell you that I’ve talked to the faculty, I’ve talked to students that actually attended 343 the University and the dorms are not being utilized. 344 345 Lisa Stuckey: I think that’s a conversation that needs to take place because the University has said they’ve been very 346 supportive of having the kids live there. 347 348 Audrey Spencer-Horsley- And the policy is the first year they have to live on campus. The students want the 349 amenities… And if a group of students live together they can live cheaper than on campus. 350 351 Craig Benedict: What’s being discussed is supply and demand and the potential of upward mobility and mobility to 352 take that equity with you and do more. What’s happening with the students is there’s such a demand that the housing 353 prices go up and that diminishes the housing availability right there. And so it’s an uphill battle for that affordable 354 housing element, whether it’s workforce or lower, the market’s going to control that and it’s going to make it more and 355 more difficult. 356 357 Tony Blake: I’m all for paying taxes to have a pluralistic society and a diverse community and all of that. On the other 358 hand, I object to my taxes going to support the student whose parents are well off and able to afford dorm rooms. 359 360 Lydia Wegman: So I don’t understand the strategic plan. What is it, what role does it play? It seems to be identifying 361 land use as the key problem… The first 2 things are the overgrowth and exclusionary zoning practices. Those are the 362 2 things where you say yes, they’re impediments. But, from everything I’m hearing they’re far greater impediments 363 than the opportunity to build way out in the County where there’s no transportation, people can’t get to work easily 364 and the density issue doesn’t strike me as the main… So I’m expressing concerns of the strategic plans and how it 365 fits in with all the other things… 366 367 Audrey Spencer-Horsley- Those observations came out of the analysis of impediment. So, that’s looking at 368 something slightly different than affordable housing. That’s looking at fair housing. That’s looking at where land use 369 practices can discourage inclusive communities and so that’s where it’s coming from. The part about the rural buffer 370 doesn’t mean that the rural buffer isn’t a good thing because that’s a local decision. But it’s like anything; it has pros 371 and cons. If you’re going to have the rural buffer it’s just like Patricia was talking about the market. If you’re taking 372 certain land off the table.. what’s left you drive the price up on. So once again, it’s a supply and demand. So that’s 373 really what it’s speaking to. 374 375 ----- Just to throw this out, one of the problems that’s been discussed a whole lot in the town of Chapel Hill is the cost 376 of maintaining affordable housing. That’s been a really expensive, unexpected concern over the years. They bought 377 12