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APPROVED 5/10/2010 OC Board of Adjustment – 3/8/2010 Page 16 of 86 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 Tony Whitaker: I said at heart he is a trainer primarily so his passion is in training. He has experience and lots of experience of keeping dogs but his heart is in training dogs. Rob Maitland: The area on the outside, going back to 1A, there is an outside dog kennel run area next to the creek, right? Tony Whitaker: Yes. Rob Maitland: You mentioned when you are talking about harmony there is lots of pieces and everything has got to work together and that Phase II, the indoor training place, looks pretty good when Phase I is built, if there is no Phase II being built at the same time as Phase I, there is an outdoor area for the dogs, right? Tony Whitaker: Yes. Rob Maitland: Are there any outdoor big flood lights that will be lighting this area? Tony Whitaker: Are there any big flood lights? Rob Maitland: Are there going to be flood lights. Is Mr. Lonsway going to be conducting his activities after dark? Tony Whitaker: You will have to ask him that? I don’t know. Rob Maitland: On Exhibit 2, where is the outdoor area the dogs will be in when they are outside? Tony Whitaker: Right here. Rob Maitland: This is Phase I here and Phase II here and this is Phase III here? Tony Whitaker: Right. Rob Maitland: Let’s assume these two buildings aren’t built and Mr. Lonsway is going to have Phase I and all 20 of those dogs will be in those 20 kennels. There will be no place for him to train the dogs and do all the things he described other than this open are over here? You also said that he will only let one or two dogs out at one time and unless he is going to do this after business hours, 9:00 to 5:00 that is only eight hours. Twenty dogs, eight hours, assuming you need an hour a dog, there is no chance there is just going to be one dog out there. Even with eight hours and two dogs you only 16 hours to train the dogs outside not in an indoor noise abated facility? It doesn’t make sense to me. Tony Whitaker: I can understand how if you put down criteria you described you could deduce that but I think those are faulty criteria. Rob Maitland: You said 20 dogs only going to be trained indoors but there is no guarantee there is going to be an indoor facility going to be built so the doors can’t be trained indoors they have to be trained outdoors but you are only going to let one or two dogs out at a time maximum. It just doesn’t work. Tony Whitaker: There are several things I need to clear up and also Mr. Lonsway may be able to add some color to my analysis. I never said the dogs would be exercised from nine to five. The business day doesn’t matter to a dog so if a dog needs to go out and if it is dark, that dog needs to go out, if it is day light or raining that dog may be taken out for exercise. The package that Mr. Lonsway is proposing is for a maximum of 20 dogs. He has described that in the world of dog boarding, the maximum is usually not achieved on an every day basis, certainly not regularly achieved. The 20 is for times of the year when more people are away and keeping the dogs there. It is not something that you would have as a matter of course, 20 dogs every day. The other thing is that the supposition of dogs only being trained inside, I don’t think I ever said that. Dogs are predominately trained inside. When a dog is taken outdoors by a trainer for exercise, there is training that is going on. It is purposeful exercise; it is not just let the dog run. This is a very purposeful program that Mr. Lonsway has. Even in the outdoor activity that might pass to the casual observer as exercise, the dog is being trained in some ways.