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APPROVED 5/10/2010 OC Board of Adjustment – 3/8/2010 Page 15 of 86 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 Tony Whitaker: Yes. Rob Maitland: Didn’t you say that was based on the limit of the septic? Tony Whitaker: It was based on two things, one was Mr. Lonsway’s initial criteria to me that he wanted a relatively small facility but he was non-specific as to the exact number. Then as it became clear the septic system was a reasonable constraint so we didn’t have to get into the business of asking for an additional sizing for that septic system we decided to leave the limit at 20. Rob Maitland: So, to be clear, on your application you are limiting your application to 20 dogs, you are not going to come back for more dogs later? Tony Whitaker: I can’t predict the future but I have had no conversation with Mr. Lonsway about expansion. We are not building any expansion into the facility itself. There appears to be not much potential of expansion from the waste water system perspective so the idea of expansion is not one we have seriously or ever really thought about anyway and not one that we are planning or contemplating. Rob Maitland: Where is the sheet with the inside design of the building? I am looking at 3A, it says Phase I and Phase II and we also have Phase 3 for a storage shed that will not have any dogs, right? Tony Whitaker: Right. Rob Maitland: In Phase I, I count 20 dog kennels, if they are not looking to expand anything, what is Phase II here for? Tony Whitaker: Mr. Lonsway is, at heart, a trainer not a dog keeper. He does both but his heart is in training and so his primary focus in terms of his business model is to keep dogs he is training and so the training is a big part of it and that room is for that purpose. In his training, he does activities with one or small groups of dogs and they need a place to run, a place to work and that is what that room is for exclusively. Rob Maitland: And that is where all the work with the dogs will be is and the training going to go on? Tony Whitaker: That is where most of it, there is the outdoor area where dogs will get their exercise but because the decision is made to keep the training and boarding activity indoors, then that is explanation for why that room needs to be so spacious. Rob Maitland: Your application is to build Phase I, when is Phase II going to be built? Tony Whitaker: Phase II could be built with Phase I. We are in a very dynamic market condition right now. Financing for new ventures is not as easy as it used to be so this is a means by which Mr. Lonsway is building flexibility into his application to say that I really want to build Phase I and II together but if some financial or business constraint doesn’t allow me to do it, I can at least build Phase I and Phase II separately. Rob Maitland: There is no guarantee that Phase II will be built at the same time as Phase I? Tony Whitaker: No. There is no guarantee of that. Rob Maitland: Let’s pretend that is the case and we are just looking at Phase I. All the training and all that work he is going to do with the dogs, all the stuff that is critical to his business model where is that going to happen? Tony Whitaker: He is not going to be able to have that part of his business. Rob Maitland: Isn’t that his business? I thought you said he not a dog keeper, this is a dog keeping facility with no place to train.