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APPROVED 5/10/2010 <br /> <br />OC Board of Adjustment – 2/8/2010 Page 9 of 13 <br />1 2 3 <br />4 <br />5 6 7 <br />8 <br />9 10 11 <br />12 <br />13 14 15 <br />16 <br />17 18 19 <br />20 <br />21 22 23 <br />24 <br />25 26 <br />27 <br />28 <br />29 30 <br />31 <br />32 <br />33 34 <br />35 <br />36 <br />37 38 <br />39 <br />40 <br />41 42 <br />43 <br />44 <br />45 46 <br />47 <br />48 <br />49 50 <br />51 <br />52 <br />53 54 <br />As you know there was a big argument that what the Board of Adjustment ought to do was refer this back to staff so staff <br />could review its finding. They argued in their application and certain portions of their testimony that this technically <br />constitutes a recreational facility. While they keep asking questions, they never provided any documentation or evidence <br />to prove that, at least from our perspective. The findings are basically that there was no evidence provided. Our abstract <br />provides an argument why it’s not. Testimony from the church say their operational characteristics don’t lend itself being <br />a recreational facility. And the final argument at the conclusion is that the Board of Adjustment can’t make this decision <br />in the first place. The reason is that the applicant has not exhausted her administrative mechanisms to us, as a staff to <br />review. If you look at Articles 21 and 23 specifically, we are the ones that make that determination; you are here to <br />review if we made a mistake or not. They were asking you to tell staff they made a mistake and reexamine it. That is not <br />what your responsibility is. Your responsibility is to interpret staff error the way the ordinance is written. Since there has <br />been no formal complaint or no formal evidence submitted, they can’t make this argument, you can’t decide it is a <br />recreational facility and staff has done its due diligent in accordance with the administration of the ordinance. Section E, <br />Erection of lights – alter accessory: During the hearing, the applicant argued that the erection of the outdoor sports field <br />lights altered the accessory use nature of the ball field and, as a result, the ball field was no longer functioning as an <br />accessory use per staff’s original approval. The Board finds there was insufficient documentation and evidence <br />submitted demonstrating this argument and that the applicant failed to meet her burden of proof. <br /> <br />Michael Harvey: That is the script and format. With all due respect to John Roberts, the only sections he technically <br />reviewed were the timeliness and the appeals. He didn’t have an opportunity to review this whole document. <br /> <br />Jeffrey Schmitt: Where we can cite specific parts of the ordinance, I think we should do. <br /> <br />Michael Harvey: That is a general request we can adhere to without a problem. <br /> <br />Jeffrey Schmitt: We should do it all the way through with all the particular cases. We have already talked about page 4, <br />second paragraph, amending that so we don’t look like we are fighting that the planning director made inappropriate <br />statements. <br /> <br />Michael Harvey: I understand. <br /> <br />Jeffrey Schmitt: The argument went several directions… by the nature of the fact that we addressing these things in a <br />way that the applicant doesn’t… are we falling into a trap and saying too much here? <br /> <br />John Roberts: That depends on which judge would hear it. <br /> <br />Jeffrey Schmitt: I am kind of gun shy because we had an appeal associated with the sign notification on the case we just <br />continued saying that there was not enough information on the notification for all the surrounding properties. <br /> <br />John Roberts: What the judges’ order actually said is the notice did not comply with the ordinance. He made no specific <br />finding, he made that general statement. He really did not say anything that could help you change any notice or direct <br />anyone to where the mistake was made. As far as this case, what the lawyer did was called the shotgun approach. He <br />doesn’t have a clear avenue to take so he makes every argument he could think of in hopes that one of them sticks. If <br />you don’t pick up on something that an appellant level judge will look at it and say that this works. I don’t know that you <br />can say too much if you address the time limits. A reasonable judge should dismiss this on the time limit. You go on into <br />it and address the other factors and say even if the time limit is not a factor, we should have listened to it, we did consider <br />the other points and they failed for the reasons stated. <br /> <br />Michael Harvey: Staff did not mess up the notice with Mr. Lonsway. <br /> <br />John Roberts: That is correct. <br /> <br />Jeffrey Schmitt: I take a lot of pride in making sure that what we have is a complete record so that if it is appealed, there <br />is not something that was overlooked or not included. Since we seem to have a succession of appeals in front of us, I <br />want to make sure we are in agreement from a legal perspective. This is very complete Michael.
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