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Approved 4/22/2014 OC Board of Adjustment – 11/11/2013 Page 23 of 123 though it is 1998 and 1986 and even though stuff has happened with respect to recreation, you still had 1 recommendations and you were referred to the site plans in the special use plan. 2 3 David Blankfard: Do special use permits ever expire? 4 5 Geof Gledhill: They can. There are two answers to that, they can have an expiration date by their terms and 6 under new laws, they are regarded as what are called site development approvals, site specific development 7 approvals and site specific development approvals do have time limits under the law as it is now. 8 9 Jeff Schmitt: Larry, when we did Buckhorn, it had an 18 month horizon on it from the date that was done, 10 correct? 11 12 Larry Wright: Yes. 13 14 Jeff Schmitt: This must be the change in the law that Geof was referring to. 15 16 Geof Gledhill: Probably it was one imposed by the County Commissioners which can be done too. You can do it 17 two ways, you can impose a time limit or you can rely on the county’s ordinance which now has the site specific 18 development timelines in them. The County did not have those in 1986. 19 20 Larry Wright: I want to ask a question that has been answered a couple times. I want to ask it this way. I know I 21 am repeating Geof’s question so the SUP was what is codified in the SUP as of May 20, 1986. That stands 22 through 1998 and just because it went into effect in 1998, we are still operating on the BOCC SUP on May 20, 23 1986. We have the zoning ordinances that were in effect on that and it is my understanding that was 1986. I 24 have heard that word, the zoning ordinances, when were they…well ordinances are amended all the time. 25 26 Geof Gledhill: There was contemporaneous with the project approval, the process of this project being approved. 27 They were contemporaneous public hearings about, let’s get our recreation standards in shape folks, they aren’t 28 anything and those, the first step in that was the amendment to the subdivision regulations IV-B-7-b which 29 occurred also in 1986, I think August of 1986, I think August of 1986 after this special use permit. 30 31 Larry Wright: That is what I wanted to know. 32 33 Geof Gledhill: That is what prompted Mr. Collins, I’m sorry, I keep saying Marvin Collins, dear friend, that is what 34 prompted Mr. Collins to say during consideration by the Board of County Commissioners of the IV-B-7-b 35 amendments that they don’t apply to Scotswood. 36 37 Larry Wright: Okay. 38 39 Geof Gledhill: Let me leave you with two thoughts. The first is, if you are inclined to use your influence to say to 40 the County Commissioners, don’t make any “recommendation” conditions in future special use permits and 41 number two, don’t delay effective dates for any reason. If the project isn’t ready, the project isn’t ready. If you 42 don’t have water supply to do it, don’t do it. This was the Orange County’s first foray in anything like this. 43 Everything else had been three lots here, four lots there. This is a big deal and no one in county government had 44 experience with it but don’t let them do it again. Use your influence. If you can pass that on whether up the food 45 chain or down the food chain but pass it along. Thank you. 46 47 Larry Wright: Before Mr. Buck starts I want to take a five minute break and be back in five minutes. 48