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APPROVED 10/13/2014 OC Board of Adjustment – 8/27/2014 Page 30 of 64 actually looking at to make a decision on. First point, I will move on. Secondly, I have not heard two 1 words tonight by any party one is rock the second is explosives. We’ve had a couple of things that have 2 happened to our property along the way. When the 1999 Cardinal line went through, which you’ve got 3 over there very rude approximation of the distance but it is really about 30, 35 feet roughly don’t hold me 4 to any specifics numbers but on our property and we are on Bradshaw Quarry Road and it goes pretty 5 much for several hundred yards, relatively flat and then drops off to the wetlands and to Turkey Hill 6 Creek. When they got about two thirds of the way through and this was Cardinal, which again I realize 7 is owned in part by PSNC, but they hit hard rock and all the boring in the world could not get the drills 8 through it. I see patients all day so I got home late, and I just happened one night to run into the 9 engineer and I said is this a danger? He said well when you set off any kind of charge you have to be 10 concerned and I just happened to run into the engineer from Cardinal don’t ask me his name or what 11 date it was, I can’t recall, but he said think several things can happen either the explosion will take from 12 the dynamite or whatever explosive they use it will either go up, it’ll go forward and backwards from 13 where they’ve already dug out or it goes lateral. I said that’s 30 odd feet away from the 1952 pipeline. I 14 said is there a danger to that pipeline? 15 16 Matthew Rhoads: I’m going to object. This is all hearsay, this is not sworn testimony. 17 18 Timothy Ives: This is not hearsay. Sorry. 19 20 Larry Wright: Technically, isn’t it hearsay? 21 22 James Bryan: Yes, this is not in area….. 23 24 Larry Wright: I have to sustain his argument. 25 26 Timothy Ives: Then please at least get some independent engineers who know about pipeline safety 27 and explosives. That’s all I’m asking to put it in that. I’ll stop my formal discussion. There is one though 28 that is not hearsay and you can back this up with PSNC engineers, you can back it up with the Orange 29 County Sheriff’s department whereby approximately 13 to 14 years ago, the junction box at the road 30 blew. Now it did not explode but the actual pipeline itself and probably whatever couplings it had actually 31 blew off and it was like four in the morning and it had a hard roar. Our neighbors are over in the back 32 there and they had to move us a good half mile away from the actual box until they took it out or until 33 they capped it or stopped it or something. I really want and I won’t get into detail again because it will be 34 hearsay in your mind but clearly I want to make sure everyone who is either petitioning this group or 35 ourselves to have a clear picture of what potentially could occur with that pipe. It really is a bit of a 36 concern when we’re talking about these kind of things on something that I don’t even know what the half-37 life of that pipe is or is there any national data to back it up. That’s what I’m asking you to provide, I work 38 as a scientist and I want to know what the data are to really deal with something. I heard comments 39 earlier tonight that well we don’t have a clear idea about the strength of that pipe and I can’t really qualify 40 that piece of pipe back there but I want to know what the data are to really suggest that it’s going to be 41 safe throughout the time because we’re still under that imposition. Lastly, we have measured our well. 42 We have a well and it’s 20 feet from the 1952 line. That’s fact that’s not supposition. I would ask that 43 you would also really look into the effects of any type of activity, explosion, excavations, construction on 44 well safety and what well contamination. Has that been done to sufficient level by the County or by the 45 state or by this Board. I’d like to see some hard evidence in your picture when you get to it. Lastly, there 46 were comments about property values and I’ll leave that for others to it but I also would like to know or 47 would like you to know are there other pipes that would be potentially put in terms of capacity beyond the 48 1952 line beyond the 16” line that would be provided with this petition beyond the 24” line that is now in 49 place from Cardinal are there other plans about capacity or is there a capacity to add even more lines 50 because I think having that as clear picture is going to be important for the citizens, it’s going to be 51 important for any type of person looking to sell or buy property and I think we really need. 52 53 Larry Wright: I have to respectfully say that is beyond the purview of this Board. Our Board just has no 54 control. This is beyond us. We are very limited in our power. 55