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Approved 3113117 <br />1 exactly where they are. Today you don't know that. So it's the technology that you're going to see <br />2 pretty much from now on. <br />3 <br />4 Samantha Cabe: And is it currently available? <br />5 <br />6 Ben Levitan: Very available. Verizon uses them very broadly themselves. And in fact we're even <br />7 into the second phase: the advanced small cells. And Verizon themselves have special <br />8 permission to test these in Oklahoma, Cary, and Raleigh so these are not speculative. <br />9 <br />10 Samantha Cabe: Ok, thank you. <br />11 <br />12 Barry Katz: I have two questions. First is, is your initial point that since video is what's increasing <br />13 the demand... <br />14 <br />15 Ben Levitan: That's the biggest increase in demand for bandwidth. <br />16 <br />17 Barry Katz: That this cell tower is not significant in terms of the justification of the safety or <br />18 imperative need? <br />19 <br />20 Ben Levitan: That's one factor. I mean, clearly, the stated goals .... I take people on there word, <br />21 where they say they want to improve coverage on Mount Carmel Church Road. A cell tower like <br />22 this is going to increase capacity quite a bit. Mount Carmel Church Road, we put up cell towers <br />23 when there's a demand. Clearly on the UNC Campus there's a demand because more video. 1 <br />24 don't think there's a lot more people using video on Mount Carmel Church Road, so I don't think <br />25 that's a justification. But this is not my main justification. <br />26 <br />27 Barry Katz: Ok. And then the micro cells, you call them micro cells, they can go on lampposts, <br />28 etcetera, which you would find in an urban area but not necessarily out in the country. Would <br />29 these be cell phone providers specific corporate, I mean would each like AT &T have to put one up <br />30 and then Verizon put up one? <br />31 <br />32 Ben Levitan: Yes sir. <br />33 <br />34 Barry Katz: It'd be duplicating... <br />35 <br />36 Ben Levitan: Exactly. Think of them of mini cell towers, that's exactly what they are. <br />37 <br />38 Barry Katz: Ok. <br />39 <br />40 Ben Levitan: It's the way everything's moving now. <br />41 <br />42 John Price: I would like to focus on the propagation maps. <br />43 <br />44 Ben Levitan: Yeah, so let's go to the next one, the color propagation map. And these are... this is <br />45 what Verizon presented to us. So number one, and this might be a little bit of an eye test for you <br />46 guys, but number one is Verizon saying, "We're going to provide better coverage for Mount <br />47 Carmel Church Road from Chapel Hill to the Governors Club area" and that's... <br />48 <br />49 Samantha Cabe: And these are behind tab number 7 in our applicant's book... <br />50 <br />OC Board of Adjustment- 12/12/16 Page 107 of 156 <br />