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DRAFT 47 1 Matt Hughes: Well, and I think the flaw in this in some ways, and I think it’s what’s getting us 2 caught up to a certain extent is that there’s really, I don’t want to talk about business plans because 3 I feel like I admonished some folks for talking about business plans, but there really seems as 4 though there are two business plans. And they’re running concurrent with one another. The farming 5 and the event space. Conceivably if the farming took place first and then the venue came at a later 6 date then maybe we wouldn’t be caught up so much on it. But we are taking all the passion that we 7 know folks feel about this issue and that’s why I point out in the, what the appellants are asking us 8 to do some of those questions are completely different about what is being done on the land versus 9 the structure and I think the structure is really what is the issue with the appellants, more so than 10 using the land for flower cultivation. 11 12 Barry Katz: With the structure there’s also the scale of the operation in relation to the agricultural 13 component. And, again, since we went through a Special Use Permit on this we realize that we 14 came to agree that the neighbors would be harmed in some way; their property values, or their 15 quality of life, by light, by sound, by traffic, etcetera, would influence and diminish; it wasn’t in 16 keeping with the area. Ok. And that had to do with the scale. If somebody has a farm and has a 17 wedding on it, well, that’s just how it is. But actually, this is, this is a business, this is a wedding 18 business, or an event business, that’s what it is. And it’s happening on a farm. 19 20 Susan Halkiotis: And just to point out that scale, and Barry kind of touched on it, but scale included 21 not only the numbers of people involved but the frequency of the events, which I think that the goal 22 is to fill up every weekend and even use some earlier, that was the testimony. To schedule every 23 weekend and maybe even some Friday dates that were people were beginning to, brides were 24 beginning to look at weekday weddings to be cost efficient. So I want to point out that it wasn’t just 25 people, scale in terms of numbers, scale in terms of frequency. 26 27 Barry Katz: Here, when you make an investment of this size you want to return on your investment. 28 I ran businesses and I look at this from a business perspective and say this is an event business. 29 That’s what it is. And is this event business happening on a farm a non-farm use? And all that we 30 know about it I would say that it’s a non-farm use. That it’s a business in and of itself that happens 31 to happen, occur, on a farm. Do I have to point to the evidence that we heard or is it already in the 32 record from the fact that we’ve come to this conclusion in the past? 33 34 James Bryan: It’d probably be best to holler a few things. But before that I want you all to make 35 sure. State the rules first, and then get to the facts, because so, as I understand it Barry, for yours, 36 you’re saying that, you’re agreeing that that it is farm property but this structure will be used for 37 non-farm purposes? 38 39 Barry Katz: Yes. 40 41 James Bryan: Because while agricultural is a bona fide farm purpose agro-tourism is not. 42 43 Karen Barrows: I don’t think we’re saying that James. I think we’re saying this use is not incidental 44 to the farm. 45 46 James Bryan: But why must it be incidental? 47