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DRAFT OC Board of Adjustment – 11/9/15 Page 107 of 156 exactly where they are. Today you don’t know that. So it’s the technology that you’re going to see 1 pretty much from now on. 2 3 Samantha Cabe: And is it currently available? 4 5 Ben Levitan: Very available. Verizon uses them very broadly themselves. And in fact we’re even 6 into the second phase: the advanced small cells. And Verizon themselves have special 7 permission to test these in Oklahoma, Cary, and Raleigh so these are not speculative. 8 9 Samantha Cabe: Ok, thank you. 10 11 Barry Katz: I have two questions. First is, is your initial point that since video is what’s increasing 12 the demand… 13 14 Ben Levitan: That’s the biggest increase in demand for bandwidth. 15 16 Barry Katz: That this cell tower is not significant in terms of the justification of the safety or 17 imperative need? 18 19 Ben Levitan: That’s one factor. I mean, clearly, the stated goals …. I take people on there word, 20 where they say they want to improve coverage on Mount Carmel Church Road. A cell tower like 21 this is going to increase capacity quite a bit. Mount Carmel Church Road, we put up cell towers 22 when there’s a demand. Clearly on the UNC Campus there’s a demand because more video. I 23 don’t think there’s a lot more people using video on Mount Carmel Church Road, so I don’t think 24 that’s a justification. But this is not my main justification. 25 26 Barry Katz: Ok. And then the micro cells, you call them micro cells, they can go on lampposts, 27 etcetera, which you would find in an urban area but not necessarily out in the country. Would 28 these be cell phone providers specific corporate, I mean would each like AT&T have to put one up 29 and then Verizon put up one? 30 31 Ben Levitan: Yes sir. 32 33 Barry Katz: It’d be duplicating… 34 35 Ben Levitan: Exactly. Think of them of mini cell towers, that’s exactly what they are. 36 37 Barry Katz: Ok. 38 39 Ben Levitan: It’s the way everything’s moving now. 40 41 John Price: I would like to focus on the propagation maps. 42 43 Ben Levitan: Yeah, so let’s go to the next one, the color propagation map. And these are... this is 44 what Verizon presented to us. So number one, and this might be a little bit of an eye test for you 45 guys, but number one is Verizon saying, “We’re going to provide better coverage for Mount 46 Carmel Church Road from Chapel Hill to the Governors Club area” and that’s… 47 48 Samantha Cabe: And these are behind tab number 7 in our applicant’s book… 49 50 109