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Mark Micol: If you take the firearms piece, safety is the biggest thing so when you take the safety away and you can 1 think of many other uses for 34 acres that would be annoying. I am thinking as I was listening riding motorcycles on 2 Saturday. You could have 30 acres with 10 kids riding motorcycles hours and hours a day and that would be just as 3 annoying as firearms. The only difference is the safety and we don’t have the authority to solve that problem. 4 5 David Blankfard: The police said it was hidden and they would have shut them down if they said they were shooting 6 down into the ground. 7 8 Larry Wright: There is a case of a woman who lives next door to a go kart track and she has tried and tried but there 9 is nothing that can be done about it. That noise is as bad if not worse than this. She has been to everybody. 10 11 Mark Micol: The evidence that I have heard supports the property owner over the appellant. When you listen to the 12 audio, I heard rapid fire but that could have been one person making those shots. The ground level topography, you 13 mentioned it could be a trail. That wasn’t very supportive of their argument. The aerial shot didn’t show … when he 14 said structure, I am thinking it was going to be a 1,200 square foot building. Instead we hear it is a board over a 15 creek and an earthen berm. I think the evidence they put on was as supportive to the owners as it was to them. The 16 sheriff’s report supported the owner in many ways. I am not convinced. 17 18 Larry Wright: Karen? 19 20 Karen Barrows: I think I have to agree with Mark and I am very sympathetic. We live down the street from a hunt 21 club so we hear but not to the level these people are exposed to. I don’t know what the recourse is but I don’t think it 22 is us. 23 24 Larry Wright: Even though it is out of order, there is a hunt club at RTP. Nobel prize winners are going by there and 25 bullets and mixed use development is going in, single family homes. They are trying to find a place to move to. 26 Anyway, I digressed. I don’t know. How do you think we should proceed on this? 27 28 Karen Barrows: The only question I have is whether we should have independent counsel. How does the rest of the 29 board feel about that? 30 31 Larry Wright: After he made his motion, he moved on before there was chance for us to even …. 32 33 James Bryan: I think this board knows and I will say it again. I work for the county, I represent this board. It is 34 always best to have your own independent counsel. I am directed to and fully prepared to represent you all but it is 35 fully within your discretion to do so. 36 37 Jeff Schmitt: Karen, I agree with you but I’m not sure a different counsel would have provided counsel which would 38 change the opinion. Larry, a couple of years ago when I was on this group before, we had a case in Northern 39 Orange where we had a church that had put up lights to play softball defacto for the membership and I think all of us 40 knew as we listened to it that it was being run as a for profit institution by the church. Couldn’t prove it and never had 41 the right definitions in point to say when lights should be put up and when they shouldn’t be put up. This has 42 somewhat of the same flavor to it. Unfortunately, I find myself in the same position. I have a lot of empathy for this. I 43 live in the country, I have guns, I shoot but if I were at a place where it was just significant, that is a big problem. I 44 can’t vote to overturn what has gone on here but I think there needs to be something we say after this I would like to 45 have Michael do. I think there needs to be further investigation to look at the property, look at the land, and make a 46 comment relative to the structure which is far too vague here. 47 48 Larry Wright: On both sides. The burden of proof is on both sides, the applicant’s as well. I agree. 49 50 48