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275 Andy Henry said that he would estimate that it is 20 to 30 million dollars per mile to widen an interstate highway. 276 277 Gary Saunders said that the first widening is 4 miles for the managed lanes, Exit 270 and 266 (15 -501 to 86). This 278 was later corrected to Exit 266 to 259, 7 miles. 279 280 Andy Henry said that for 4 miles, and if the widening is priced at $30 million, it would be about $7 -8 million per mile, 281 which is less than he thought it would cost. The subject area has no interchanges. 282 283 Gary Saunders said that there is one bridge on that stretch. 284 285 Andy Henry said that from 15 -501 to NC 86 goes from 4 to 6 lanes. 286 287 Heidi Perry said that she thought the discussion was about managed lanes. 288 289 Andy Henry replied that the managed lane plans will not be in the upcoming plans. The number of interchanges 290 increases the price for widening. The managed lanes area is a more rural area and will not be as costly. Sunrise Rd. 291 and Erwin Rd., one of the areas to be widened, go over 1 -40 and the bridges will have to be improved. 292 293 Heidi Perry asked about how Mr. Henry picks parts of alternatives for each plan. 294 295 Andy Henry answered that the alternatives are not mutually exclusive. Many of the projects are the same, like a 296 project he called "moderate" which used the 2040 MTP and another project called "highway." He added highway 297 projects to the 2040 MTP, e.g. widening 1 -85. The transportation network for each of these alternatives is likely going 298 to be the same. 299 300 Heidi Perry remembered a project that was much heavier on transit. 301 302 Andy Henry replied that the project that was heavier on transit had an extension of light rail to Carrboro and extended 303 the commuter rail from west Durham to Mebane /Burlington. In this project, there was a 15 minute headway for the 304 bus frequency. 305 306 Heidi Perry asked why this would not be in a plan presented for a vote. She said that at a recent meeting, the MPO 307 group was given 4 fiscal budgets to look at and there was a conservative, moderate and two optimistic budgets. The 308 MPO wanted to focus only on optimistic budgets. Who gets to decide if transit is going to be the priority? 309 310 Andy Henry said that the MPO decides if the major routes will come down headways or if all routes are done on 15 311 minute headways. The question is, is there a budget to do this and is there payback? Transit -heavy alternatives have 312 a lot of transit service hours in them and mode share tops -out at a certain point, no one else is taking transit, even 313 though bus service is up high. 314 315 Heidi Perry asked if it was the case that the budget could not be used for incentives for people not to drive, or 316 leveraged with a public - private partnership. 317 318 Andy Henry said that some of the budget is used in this way. He said the aforementioned projects are classified as 319 more minor in comparison to widening of highways. There is a budget for long range planning for travel demand 320 management, a program coordinated by Triangle J Council of Governments and contributed to by local MPOs, 321 NCDOT, and GoTriangle helps coordination with businesses and other partners. Additionally, there is a budget for 322 transit system management inclusive of improvements on intersections; and a budget for intelligent transportation 323 systems for smart traffic signals and such. 324 325 Alex Castro said that he noticed the absence in the presentation on the advancement of technology. Automotive 326 technology can be controlled. Major cities have high occupancy wherein use of the road is a privilege. A transponder 327 could lock your vehicle to go at the same speed. His point is that this technology is coming (Austin - Dallas is trying 328 this out). The idea that "what we plan may not be what we build" should be taken into account, like the widening of 10