Agenda - 11-15-2016 - 6-a - Minutes

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10 1 Julie Herlands said typically there are not huge changes in levels of service figure, but 2 she said if a permanent space was created that significantly increased the level of service 3 standards (square feet per student), then the fee could potentially go up. 4 Steve Halkiotis asked if there is a reason that the reproductive rate in central and 5 northern Orange County seems to be less than the reproductive rate in southern Orange 6 County, given that the housing is similar. He said the whole topic may need to be revisited, and 7 the OCS is pulling in more impact fee money than CHCCS due to the tremendous growth in the 8 district. 9 Julie Herlands said this is all local data that is reflective of both school districts, as it 10 stands today. She said it is local census data. She said children that attend private schools are 11 not included. She said if an answer is desired to Mr. Halkiotis' question, she would suggest 12 doing a survey. 13 Matthew Roberts clarified that the number of children expected in a 3-bedroom house in 14 CHCCS, is higher than the number of children that would be expected in a 3-bedroom house in 15 OCS. He said this is all new to him. 16 Julie Herlands said there is local, geocoded data; public school students within each 17 district that reside in the different types of housing units. 18 Matthew Roberts asked if student housing in Chapel Hill is included. 19 Perdita Holtz said dorms are not included, but single family homes are included, even if 20 rented by university students. 21 Michael Hood asked if all apartment complexes are included in the CHCCS. 22 Julie Herlands said yes. 23 Michael Hood said many apartment complexes do not generate any students. 24 James Barrett said a lot of this has changed dramatically over the last eight years. He 25 said there are apartment complexes that were never expected to house children, which are 26 currently housing many families with children in the CHCCS. 27 Michael Hood said that may be reflective of the debt bubble. He said per capita income 28 for an area tends to produce fewer children per household. He said this is not reflective in the 29 numbers, and per capita income in OCS is lower than in CHCCS. 30 Julie Herlands said there is a type of unit difference as well, and there are underlining 31 drivers. 32 Michael Hood said he is bothered by the width of disparity. 33 Pat Heinrich said when he looked at the report he saw the Turner Building was used as 34 an inflationary scale for how costs would change over time. He said this is a national index, and 35 asked if there is a reason why Department of Public Instruction (DPI) numbers were not used to 36 get more regional numbers. 37 Julie Herlands said that was on the cost side. She said the starting point is the local 38 data, and to get to current dollars they use a construction cost index to find this out. She said 39 she would get him a more complete answer regarding the Turner Index. 40 Pat Heinrich said the numbers used were from the national index. 41 Julie Herlands said the numbers will not change drastically if a different index is used. 42 She said there is a weighted average by the type of school building. She said a sample of local 43 construction is gathered. 44 Pat Heinrich said there was a 31% regional increase in school construction from 2010- 45 2015, according to the DPI. He said from 2013-2015 there was a 24% increase in regional 46 schools, as opposed to a 13% increase in the Turner Index. He said his concern is that the 47 Turner Index is not relative to what is actually happening locally. 48 Julie Herlands said an adjustment can be made. 49 Pat Heinrich asked if this data is not relevant.