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Agenda - 10-18-2016 - 4-a - Proclamation Recognizing UNC Men’s Lacrosse 2016 NCAA Championship
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Agenda - 10-18-2016 - 4-b - Recognition of Basic Law Enforcement Training Academy Graduates
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Agenda - 10-18-2016 - 5-a - North Carolina Community Transportation Program Administrative and Capital Grant Applications for FY 2018
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Agenda - 10-18-2016 - 5-b - Public Hearing Regarding an Economic Development Incentive for Wegmans Food Markets, Inc., and Interlocal Agreement Between Orange County & Chapel Hill
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Agenda - 10-18-2016 - 6-a - Minutes
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Agenda - 10-18-2016 - 6-b - Fiscal Year 2016-17 Budget Amendment #2
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Agenda - 10-18-2016 - 6-c - Board of Commissioners Meeting Calendar for Year 2017
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Agenda - 10-18-2016 - 7-a - School Impact Fee Updates
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Agenda - 10-18-2016 - 7-b - Orange County ABC Board Travel Policy
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Agenda - 10-18-2016 - 7-c - Designation of the “Headwaters Nature Preserve” and Approval of Budget Amendment #2-A
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Agenda - 10-18-2016-11-a - Animal Services Hearing Panel Pool – Appointment
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Agenda - 10-18-2016-13-1 - Information Item - October 4, 2016 BOCC Meeting Follow-up Actions List
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Agenda - 10-18-2016-13-2 - Information Item - Memorandum - Old Courthouse Square Project - Norwood Jones Office Preservation
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Agenda - 10-18-2016-13-3 - Information Item - Memorandum - Facility Parking and Pedestrian Sidewalk Project Update
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Agenda - 10-18-2016-13-4 - Information Item - BOCC Chair Letter Regarding Petitions from October 4, 2016 Regular Meeting
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ORD-2016-035 Ordinance approving Budget Amendment #2 for Fiscal Year 2016-17
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ORD-2016-036 Ordinance approving Budget Amendment #2-A for Fiscal Year 2016-17
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PRO-2016-010 Proclamation Recognizing UNC Men's Lacrosse Team for Winning the 2016 NCAA Lacrosse National Championship
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RES-2016-063 Community Transportation Program Resolution Section 5311 FY 2018
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RES-2016-065 Public Transportation Consolidated Capital Call for Projects Program Resolution
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18 <br /> John Roberts said no. He said the Supreme Court has determined there must be <br /> proportionality between who pays the fee, what the fee is, and what the fee is paying for. He <br /> said the County's authorizing legislation requires an apportionment between what the fee <br /> payers are paying, and what cost the fee is off setting. He said a side agreement would not be <br /> defensible. He said there is a fee agreement provision in the ordinance, but it involves a <br /> dedication of land, and there must be an appraisal of the land completed to establish the <br /> value, to ensure that the fee being waived is comparable to the value of the land. <br /> Commissioner Rich asked if the number of three bedroom units being built is known. <br /> Craig Benedict said the Special Use Permits for approvals do not specify bedroom <br /> counts. He said it is at the discretion of the builder, but the one flat fee does not promote the <br /> building of three bedroom units over one-bedroom units. <br /> Commissioner Rich said the assumption that three-bedroom units will be built is <br /> unrealistic. She added that those three bedroom units that are being built are not affordable. <br /> Chair McKee asked if increasing the fees will increase the number of three bedroom <br /> units being built. He does not see how it would, as these units are not being built currently. <br /> Commissioner Rich said the only way these larger units get filled is with UNC students, <br /> which does not support the local schools. <br /> Commissioner Pelissier said it seems that if the bedroom breakdown is implemented, <br /> what is being built is unknown. She asked if there is a way, after one year, to track what is <br /> happening on the ground, how the fee is working, and to adjust it as needed. <br /> Craig Benedict said the Towns have been asked to collect better data and the school <br /> boards for address matching. He said it takes about a year to get information for the past 10 <br /> years of data. He said a consultant may help in gathering data. He said the numbers may not <br /> move that much in one year. He said in the past 15 years multi family housing has changed <br /> from student housing to family housing, which leads to the numbers changing. <br /> Commissioner Pelissier said the purpose of the fees is to have the new growth to pay <br /> the partial costs of schools. <br /> Commissioner Burroughs said updating the data is good, and the data is not <br /> negotiable. She asked if paying the impact fee over time would be possible. <br /> John Roberts said if it is in the ordinance, then it may be allowable. <br /> Commissioner Burroughs said the breakeven is the breakeven, and she understands <br /> the idea of phasing in, but she has some concerns about starting at the breakeven and <br /> phasing in at a higher rate thereafter. She said she is wondering about the difficulty of doing <br /> this. <br /> Craig Benedict said the impact of saying, for multi family, that 25% is for a 3 bedroom <br /> and 75% is for a 0-2 bedroom, would make the breakeven point higher, as there are a lot of <br /> revenues coming with the high three bedroom student generation rates. He said this analysis <br /> would raise the numbers. He said the Board has asked for upcoming projects to be analyzed. <br /> He said the number of bedrooms may vary wildly. <br /> Commissioner Burroughs said the data from where the students are generated is fairly <br /> exact, but then there is a fair amount of room. She said if 100% of the MSIF was the goal, <br /> then the numbers could be more exact, but this is not the goal. She said anything less than <br /> 100% of the MSIF is a judgment call by the BOCC. She said Craig Benedict's comments <br /> about predicting the number of bedrooms to be built in the future is inexact. She said the <br /> BOCC has to make a judgment that feels fair, and the current breakeven rate is a good <br /> starting point. <br /> Commissioner Dorosin said the statute requires this rational relationship, which leads to <br /> the analysis model. He said the statutory restrictions, and the modeling, has to be based on <br /> this snapshot. He said the information that the Board desires cannot be captured in the tool <br /> they have. <br />
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