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16 1 for the half year is the knowledge that the lead time on the new trucks means that the trucks will 2 not actually be used until at least October and potentially later. 3 Commissioner Pelissier said a fee could be charged for the entire year. 4 Michael Talbert said yes. 5 Commissioner Dorosin asked for an explanation of how the subscription fee is different 6 from the Lanvelle case fee. 7 John Roberts said the Lanvelle case did not deal with recycling, and it was a fee that the 8 County did not have authorization from the legislature to impose. He said that fee was levied 9 on developers, and the courts said the County did not have the authority to impose the fee; 10 therefore it must be paid back. He said the similarity comes down to the city and county 11 statutes on solid waste. He said Counties have the authority to operate solid waste services, 12 and to charge a fee for those services. He said cities have the authority to operate solid waste 13 services and mandate that residents subscribe. He said Counties don't have authority to 14 mandate the subscription. He said the option for County residents to return the cart and not be 15 charged a fee, complies with the requirement that there not be a mandate. 16 Commissioner Gordon referred to page 3, #5, regarding the pursuit of new customers in 17 rural Orange County. She asked where this would be done. 18 Michael Talbert said the County has routes that pick up on the blue tracks now. He said 19 the adjacent properties that make the most sense would be the areas in yellow. He said the 20 service would be marketed to all the areas in yellow. He said there are some new 21 developments that would enable the County to go outside of the current district to establish new 22 routes for newer developments. 23 Commissioner Gordon asked for clarification on the understanding with the towns 24 regarding the areas outside of the towns. She asked if the County is expected to have a district 25 or subscription outside of the municipal jurisdictions. 26 Michael Talbert said he does not know the Town's expectation, but if an area lies 27 outside of the Town's borders, it is the County's responsibility. 28 Commissioner Rich said the assumption is that there will be a 20 percent drop off in 29 service. She asked where this number came from. 30 Michael Talbert said he worked with Gayle Wilson in solid waste. He said there has 31 been a drop off in every program across the nation that has gone from a free program to a 32 subscription service. He said this is a best estimate, and it is not etched in stone. 33 Commissioner Rich asked what would happen if this number is a lot higher. She asked 34 if this would mean the $58 fee would get higher. 35 Michael Talbert said if this happens the cost could potentially go higher the next year. 36 He said opt outs could change the routes, the direction of the routes and the way the collections 37 are done. However, he said he has heard that recycling is important in Orange County, and 38 staff wanted to continue the programs and find a way to pay for it. 39 Commissioner Rich said she agrees that Orange County is passionate about recycling, 40 but she is concerned that the subscription service may not get the buy in that the County is 41 hoping for. She is not confident that the subscription is the way to go. 42 Michael Talbert said if the Board wants to move forward with the district instead, this can 43 still be done by July 1. 44 Commissioner McKee asked if the 20 percent drop accounts for people who will later opt 45 back in, and the potential new customers. 46 Michael Talbert said the 20 percent is based on national averages of what a plan ends 47 up being a year after moving to a subscription service, and it does not account for new 48 customers. 49 Commissioner Price asked if the subscription service will be available to all of the 50 residents in the County, even beyond the current map.