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23 1 Commissioner McKee said that he is for expanding the bus service and that there are 2 ways to do this without the light rail. He thinks that it should be put on the 2045-2055 3 timeframe. 4 Discussion ensued about the $14.4 million for operating costs and if this was correct. 5 David King said that this is a 25-year look into the future and it turns on several 6 important assumptions—sales tax, federal budget, how fast the costs grow, etc. He cautioned 7 the Board to not get too caught up in the numbers. 8 Commissioner Gordon made reference to page 29 and information given in 2011 9 dollars. She said that, in 2011 the County Commissioners were talking about Orange County 10 paying for the Orange County portion and the part of Chapel Hill that was in Durham County for 11 a total of$330 million. Then there was negotiation and it was negotiated that Orange County 12 would pay$316.2 million. She asked for clarification of some of the numbers on page 29. 13 14 Patrick McDonough clarified these numbers. 15 16 A motion was made by Commissioner Hemminger, seconded by Commissioner Jacobs 17 to continue the meeting past 10:30 p.m. 18 VOTE: UNANIMOUS 19 20 Commissioner Gordon made reference to page 23 and section VI showing the Orange 21 Financial Plan data. She said this information is difficult to understand because of the 22 differences between 2011 dollars and year of Year of Expenditure dollars. She asked Triangle 23 Transit to add clarifying information. She then referenced page 30 of Appendix A which 24 showed total plan revenues and costs. She said that the total plan costs on page 23, which 25 added up to $648 million, did not correspond to the total plan costs, which are given as $659.9 26 million in Appendix A. 27 Commissioner Gordon asked what Durham County had affirmed and not affirmed in 28 their work session. 29 Wib Gulley said that Durham County accepted the $316.2 million for capital. 30 Commissioner Yuhasz asked who would be borrowing the money. 31 Wib Gulley said that Triangle Transit would be the borrowing entity. 32 Commissioner Yuhasz said that he does not understand why the $25 million keeps 33 showing up in the Orange County plan if it is not an Orange County debt. Wib Gulley said that 34 it is an effort to show how the plan works. He said that it could be rewritten to ensure that 35 Orange County is not signing up for any debt. 36 Chair Pelissier made reference to page 6 and said that there is no mention of cost 37 share for buses between Orange County and Durham County. She said that she received an 38 email from TTA that this was an oversight. She suggested adding in that all of the regional bus 39 lines are cost shared 50/50 between Orange County and Durham County. This needs to be in 40 the plan. 41 David King said that they have drafted some language for this and it will be at the end 42 of the first full paragraph on page 6: "costs and expenses for regional bus service for the 43 Durham and Orange County Regional Plan shall be shared on a 50150 basis." 44 Chair Pelissier made reference to page 7, and "a portion of revenues identified will be 45 used to support existing bus service." To be consistent, she suggested saying "only those 46 revenues from the vehicle registration tax will be used to support existing bus service." 47 Chair Pelissier made reference to page 9 and bus capital investments. She said that 48 she would like to specify bus shelters in both rural and urban areas and not just urban areas. 49 Chair Pelissier made reference to page 8 and the first sentence, after the word 50 "appropriated", she would like to add, "at the outset."