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dome that it put up that was not there the night before. So I drove down the next day and immediately recognized what the problem was, at least Carrboro didn't burn down. "But that's why this is so important; it just takes a few lights with excess energy being wasted with this tremendous wattage going up into the air. This is particularly true during the summer season, where humidity is high in the air and you tend to trap all that light and the moisture and it produces these light domes which are as polluting as if you had put chemicals in the water to the air. Fortunately it is much simpler to solve this problem than it is a lot of types of pollution, because every major light fixture company in the country has fixtures that conform to a large number of these Ordinances. "And so it is not even a problem of shopping or finding the right thing. Every one of them makes conforming and non-conforming fixtures and it is just a simple matter for the architects to specify conforming fixtures and it saves the tenants a lot of money. So there are very few peaple who find a problem with it and the power companies are typically the only people wha find a problem with it and even those people are trying hard to be responsible about energy savings and it is a very tough argument for them. "You know in a lot of jurisdictions they make a quick retrofit and that is a big problem. Here, the Ordinance is not proposing a retrofit until the particular fixture needs to be replaced. So it is all just going forward and that is why it is so important with the development that is going on in the county. "So I felt like I needed to come forward and encourage all the people involved with this. And I have to say the staff of Orange County has done a remarkable job of research and lacking at Ordinances in other parts of the country and looking at the engineering aspects of it and looking at the basic common sense application of it without going either overboard or not having an effective Ordinance and I hope that in some form similar to the draft it will get eventually accepted. Thank you." Ron Osborne: "Thank you. My name is Ron Osborne, and I am here tonight representing Duke Power regarding the Ordinance. My position with Duke Power is that I am the Engineering Supervisor for the Durham, Burlington, Chapel Hill service areas that encompasses all of Orange County, most of Durham County, Alamance County, and parts of Guilford, counties to the north and south and everything. I wanted to lead off by saying that I am heartened by the actions the County is taking with regard to light pollution and light trespass and I think that this is something that needs to be addressed probably in most jurisdictions. I applaud Orange County far taking a look at it. "Duke's interest in this is to make sure that the Ordinance is simple to follow which will equate to compliance, which will equate to effectiveness. And to that end, and to the intent of trying to limit light trespass, the remarks that we have provided are geared toward that. Let me just say a couple of things because I appreciated the preceding speakers. "The first thing is that part of my business is to look at lights all the time whenever I'm riding down the road so I know how everybody feels when you start thinking about things and you start looking up. And I do see lights all the time that are creating problems. And it is relatively simple to fix them. And I think that the Ordinance can address that.