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Triangle region, but are you suggesting development of some plan for water and sewer services within this smaller region? Chair Jacobs: Well, after going and sitting dawn and having lunch with representatives from all of these different entities, it is clear that we all have issues. With all due respect to our awn Commission, other governments may not want to come to our Commission. We need to create some place where we can - even if it's just to empower our staffs to brainstorm - to bring the plans, to bring the maps, to look at where we overlap, where we conflict, where we might be able to cooperate. I don't pretend to know or to dare tell someone else haw they should do their business. It's clear that we're all just going in our own directions. So we need some agreement to keep working together, whatever that venue is. And it's always easy for an elected official to say, "I'm going to empower the staff to ga do more meetings, and when they develop something we'll came back and talk same mare." That's the vision I have. Terry Roland: Pat's already talked about the Water Resources Committee of Triangle J, and I realize there's some folks that aren't in Triangle J, but we could probably expand that invitation list to make sure that everybody that's interested participate in that process. That is the committee that worked on the watershed issue in the 80's, and that's probably the best existing mechanism we have for continuing with discussion, and it's a good place for it, I think. So we could use that committee to continue that discussion. Dr. Moreau: Well, clearly a lot of the information and considerations that go an there would be relevant here. It might take a subcommittee with expansion to include Orange Alamance. Burlington has lots of water over there. They have a lot of excess supply. And that hasn't been brought into this discussion. John Link: I think the idea of pursuing the TJCOG structure is good. I am interested in same kind of congruence. I want to look at it from a practical perspective of providing water and at the same time addressing the land use issues which have been brought forward. Ed Harrison: I got a lot of my post-graduate education in water resources at that committee, starting with seminars. I also met same of the first local government managers that I'd ever met that I didn't work far, and all of you are improvements over them. I think it's a place that managers could fit into. The committee has been sometimes in the past a little bit too much inside baseball. I think the mare pragmatic questions that John is talking about really need to be talked about there. I think that because this involves local government decision-makers so much on so many levels, it really has to be a little less not technical. I thrive an the technical stuff, but I don't think that the local governments necessarily need to have all that. This set of presentations today has been nicely balanced in that regard. It's a committee that because the COG has been so busy with very important focus work, hasn't met quite as often lately. But I think we're seeing a reason to do it again. It could split off in geographic subsets if it had to. Also, I want to echo, as someone who has spent a decade on the Durham Environmental Affairs Board, there is very good thinking that can happen on citizen boards like that if you bather to ask them the right questions ar let them think of the right questions themselves. Joe Phelps: It has been a good meeting. I agree that I think that we could meet again maybe in smaller groups and get more accomplished that way. I would like to say something. I did read the resolution sent by the Board of Commissioners, and you had something in here and I'll read it quickly for those who don't have it. It says, about three quarters of the way down, "Whereas, the environmental impact and financial cost associated with the development and construction of new reservoirs renders the development of new reservoirs and water supplies within Orange County unlikely." I don't want to restrict what we may decide today for someone 30 or 50 years from now of not ever building a reservoir in Orange County. That particular statement concerns me a little bit. I don't know what the intent of it was. I don't think Hillsborough is going to grow tremendously over the next 50 years, but I don't think at this point in 30 years we'll have enough water. So I don't want to proceed along those lines if that was meant to be that way. I'd be open to suggestions, but I don't think we should ever close the door on some future generation. Like Jahn said, I kind of agreed with him. Everybody has a need for water here, and then Pat says that we have plenty of water and someone mentioned Burlington. I'm not sure about Burlington. They would probably sell water as long as they could, but they'll probably grow too and at some point quit selling water I don't want to restrict any furture governing body from doing what is necessary to provide water to our citizens. Chair Jacobs: I have a question for the folks from Mebane. Do you feel comfortable being part of this committee of Triangle J to work on some issues together even though you're not part of that COG?