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40 DRAFT 177 Michael Harvey: I won't answer for Ms. Whiffed. I think she was under the impression there would be hydrants installed down 178 Tinnin Road. This was never a requiremen# of the planning board or the fire marshal: I will remind the board that in Attachment 179 2, there is a correspondence from the Orange County Solid Waste dealing with the radiate of the cul-de-sac, which has not been 180 approved by DOT and Orange County Solid Waste. 181 182 Brian Crawford: Is anybody aware of this change in the school drop-off? 183 184 Michael Harvey: This is the first I have heard of it. I will state that Dr. McFarland was provided.=the original site plan for this 185 proposal and upon reviewing it his only recommended condition, and it is incorporated within the application submitted as part of 186 the record at the May Quarterly Hearing, that development of these lots will -be phased over time to accommodate the school's 187 cap limita#ion so there is adequate public space for the new students. The document filed with the Orange County School 188 System-has never expressed= any issues about access management or traffic. 189 190 -Mark Marcoplos: This is the first time we have heard they changed the traffic flow of the school. It sounds like they knew this 191 development was in the works... 192 193 Michael -Harvey: They were provided copies of this as part of our pre-application process a month before the public hearing-and 194 ask to provide comments which is in your May Quarterly Public-Hearing package. 195 196 Mark Marcoplos: By making this traffic flow change, they are acknowledging that it will work with the neighborhood? 197 198 Michael Harvey: They knew that a 28 lot subdivision was being proposed and they -knew there would be a couple hundred _l 99 additional cars traveling through this area-and their only comment was that you need to stagger or phase in the development and 200 they chose to change the access to the school knowing this 28 lot subdivision would be here. 201 202 Mark Marcoplos: So they were more concerned about construction traffic? 203 204 Michael Harvey: As well as guaranteeing sufficient seating capacity to handle the 28 single family housing which is why the 205 housing is being phased over time. 206 207 Mark Marcoplos: To meet the size of the student body? 208 209 Michael Harvey: Correct. 210 211 Mark Marcoplos: Does anyone know if there is an opportunity to go back to the original traffic flow? 212 Z 13 Michael Harvey: That would be a question for the school: 214 215 Pete Hallenbeck: It is interesting that the school recently had a turning lane put in next to the school and-now they have opted to 216 change the drop-off and then work with DOT to get a similar turning lane. I tend to separate that from concerns about the-traffic. 217 I also see an opportunity for the development, county and school to work with DOT to get a turning lane there, which would make 218 things better. There is a turning lane going into the Ashwick Subdivision, which is just east of there. Does anyone know how 219 many units there are total planned for the Ashwick Subdivision versus this Tinnin Woods subdivision? It seems that is a 220 comparable situation. Someone made the decision to say that Ashwick needed a turning lane off of Highway 70 and I think we 221 need to take a similar look with this project. 222 223 Michael Harvey: Ashwick is based on a previously approved Special Use Permit that I am not 100% comfortable answering how 224 many lots that are proposed or how a turn lane came into existence. 225 226 Pete Hallenbeck: I would suggest looking at that would give people some guidance about how necessary it is to have turn lanes. 227 If the number of units was within 20% of the number of units in Tinnin Woods, that would tell me there really should have been a 228 turn lane put in and that got missed. 229 230 The topic of hydrants, an informational matter for everyone, is the reason the blow offs values were changed on hydrants at the 231 end of the line is originally they were adapting smaller water lines and smaller lines so therefore the water gets changed out 232 more often. When you get a bigger line, there is a problem that the water can get stale at the end of that flow so you need to 233 have a way at the end of the line to flush the line out. That is a tradeoff when you look at the size of the water line for fire 234 suppression versus the water line that just size for drinking water. With regard to hydrants in general, the Efland Fire 235 Department has been looking in that area, Tinnin Road to add a hydrant. If you look at the hydrant spread on US 70, ideally, you 4