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35 Approved 9/7/11 296 297 Michael Harvey: My recollection is that it is 45 feet and there is correspondence in Attachment 6 from the fire marshal saying 298 that was acceptable. 299 300 Pete Hallenbeck: On page 46, item a, number 3, existing customers being .allowed to tap onto the main at $650.00 each. What I 301 am not clear on, would that be customers who are currently not connected who wish to tap on? 302 303 Michael Harvey: Those are existing customers that will be tapping back into the new line. There is still a tap fee that will have to 304 be paid. 305 306 Pete Hallenbeck: They could stay on the old line. 307 308 Michael Harvey: I am going to let the applicant speak to it. There is correspondence in Attachment 4 with Orange Alamance on 309 this matter. 310 311 Pete Hallenbeck: It-seems wrong to me that a construction prflject comes through and someone who had water service that 312 worked is suddenly required to pay more and not really getting anything they didn't have before. 1 was hoping that was for-new 313 customers and if they are already connected that those people be allowed to connect in if they are forced off where they are. 314 315: Michael Harvey: It is technically for new customers and for any new tap on to the new line so that would include those other 316 residences. 317 318 Brian Crawford: So they are going to pay that new fee? Is there increase in the cost of the water service as a result? 319 320 Chad Abbott: I think OWASA has indicated some differentthings-to staff and to the applicant. The letter I have seen is the total 321 of $650.00 is for the additional lots, which is $150.00 for something and $400.00 for something else. It was talking about the new 322 lots. One was an impact fee and one was a tap fee. Impact fee is your initial fee to hook up and tap fee covers the cost of 323 actually tying into the line. 324 325 I have talked to OWASA and this is the difference in what they told me and what they told staff. They told me they would not 326 take the three inch line away or require it to be taken out of service; the existing customers could still use that line. Because of 327 the way the economy charging people money, we will just leave it in place. I ask what if an existing customer wanted to hookup 328 to the line, would the fees be assessed. He said I think there would be a tap fee but I don't want to say what it would be. 329 330 Pete Hallenbeck: It sounds like if you are currently getting water, nothing about this project will require you to have to pay an 331 additional tap fee. 332 333 Chad Abbott: They will not require you to pay an additional fee. 334 335 Larry Wright: This three inch line, what happens if that line ruptures, will they still maintain that line? 336 337 Chad Abbott: OWAS is still the owner of that line so theyare required to. 338 339 Pete Hallenbeck: This business of requiring either a 12 inch lines or 8 inch lines misses the point of the debate in my opinion. 340 One thing I find interesting is we are still trying. to define a water system by saying what size the pipe is when what we should be 341 doing is defining a water system by the available flow, the hydrant. What is maximum amount of water you can get without 342 putting the line in peril, taking the pressure to less that 20 psi? That magic number is 1,000 gallons per minute. When the 343 system first goes into service you may want that number a little higher, about 1,100 or 1,200. 344 345 It is easier to specify a size, you can build, you met the size and whatever flow you get, you get. Some of these questions can 346 be resolved. One thing that strikes me is that designing a system from that perspective saying that we can design an eight inch 347 line going up School House Road if we tie in then the loop system does better. Instead of trying to have the discussion of the 348 size of the line, look at the entire system with objectives of the available fire flow, being in the 1,100 to 1,200 gallon range and 349 then try to use that to figure out how best to do it with the understanding the loop system is a good thing to have for fire 350 protection and could allow the a smaller pipe to be used, maybe a 10 inch line. 351 352 If you look at the Richmond Hill Subdivision and you go to a hydrant at the end of that and you flow 550 gallons per minute, 353 which would be a typical start up flow, that system pressure goes down to 20 psi. The houses in Richmond Hills have a sprinkler 354 system and that system is normally going to run at 70 psi when there is a fire. You pull up in a fre truck and take that last 6