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32 Approved 9/7/11 119 120 Larry Wright: My issue is that this is a lot of traffic and we should encourage people and children to get out, away from indoor 121 sedentary lives, out of doors, off the streets and people should be able to walk laps, not in the street competing with vehicles. I 122 understand the connectors but there isn't any here. In chapters 4 and 9 in the Comprehensive Plan, I would like to make a 123 recommendation to the BOCC...a development is a development...) think we should get the children out and the people should 124 be able to walk the laps here. I think we should push for. more sidewalks. 125 126 Lisa Stuckey: I think there are seven lots that fronton school house road and I don't see how those kids...it seems the internal 127 paths will be unlikely to be used by them to get to school. I remember like 268 vehicular trips being talked about during the 128 public hearing ... l wonder if-there is an easement will it evEr be built. 129 130 Larry Wright: Event if they go over to the Efland Cedar Grove playground, they will be walking in the road. 131 132 Maxecine Mitchell: Who is going_ to pay for all these sidewalks? 133 134 Michael Harvey: The applicant has been made aware of these issues and over suggestions that the project have sidewalks 135 installed within various roadways including School-House Road and theB roadway designated on the site plan. The purpose of 136 this meeting is for you to have this type of discussion with the applicant and allow them to respond. I am hearing that you would 137 like more sidewalks within the development. 138 139 Brian Crawford: Larry, I-think you are right; I just don't want to bring these up as a motion. I know sidewalks are very expensive. 140 I know Habitat and their budget is tight. Sidevralks are a great idea but we need to clue the BOCC if there is any way to help 141 make_this happen, we would encourage them to do so. Or maybe come up with a better system. 142 143 Michael Harvey: On page 52, the question posed_by Commissioner Jacobs was, does the public entity need to have any kind of 144 easement to put in sidewalks and would it be prudentto reserve that-easement now and not require any sidewalks to be built. 145 146 Habitat's answer to that question was sidewalks were not a problem but we can't pay for them and our future homeowners 147 association cannot bear the perpetual maintenance and upkeep responsibility. I think it is fair to say the majority of the 148 conditions staff has recommended to the applicant, they have responded favorably to. What staff is looking for is are there any 149 other conditions you as the Planning Board would like to see imposed or addressed by the applicant so they can provide the 150 necessary response and allow you to make a recommendation. 151 152 Pete Hallenbeck: Since we are focused on sidewalks. In the Efland area small plan meetings, sidewalks are something people 153 want. On most nights when you drive down US 70, you have a very good chance of seeing someone walking down the road and 154 it is just a-matter of time before someone gets hit. One thing I am not clear on is are we talking about requiring the developer to 155 put in and install concrete sidewalks now or having space allocated that will be part of the plan so you don't have utilities sitting 156 where you would like a sidewalk. 157 158 Part of what brings my focus on that is thinking back on my days at Perdue and they made these beautiful open areas with 159 crisscross patterns and the students ignored that and pretty soon you see what the natural flow or pattern is; that is why I 160 wondered if you required this development to allocate space #or the sidewalk and put grass and it is a problem for another day, to 161 see the wear patterns are, are people willing to go through the cul-de-sac and use the POSA or go down a school house road 162 and walk to a school. It is very hard to plan how people will walk through an area. Engineering loves the idea of saying what if 163 you know where the sidewalks are all around the roads and had that area allocated and preserved. That also solves some of the 164 financial problem. It is an interesting area for all the development in Efland. Efland is this bizarre entity in the County where it is 165 like a County town. It is not incorporated. I think the ability to set aside space now and later when we know more about how the 166 area will be and where we want to put in sidewalks, it is appropriate to approach the County because in many ways the County is 167 the one directing this area. 168 169 Andrea Rohrbacher: I need a little more education about POSA and the surface materials they use. 170 171 Michael Harvey: Right now, the applicant is proposing a mulch trail system. The ordinance does not mandate it be universally 172 accessible to non-pedestrian foot traffic including handicap access or establish a base material that has to be used. It could be 173 wood or concrete as an example. There are practical issues with that. Perpetual maintenance and cost issues will always come 174 up as well as impervious surface concerns. This Board could make suggestions. 175 176 Lisa Stuckey: There are sidewalks in the Phoenix Place, how was that accomplished. 177 3