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preparing an environmental assessment. The possibility of a severe accident has always been the <br />most significant concern that he has had. The technical contentions had to do with quality <br />assurance of some piping and with criticality concerns. The board ruled against this on both <br />contentions earlier in the year. <br />Chair Halkiotis said that CP&L has been transporting spent fuel rods by rail from its two <br />nuclear power plants near Southport, NC and Darlington, SC for storage at the Shearon Harris site. <br />He asked if any special precautions were taken right now for the rail shipments. He raised this <br />issue based on the number of rail accidents in this country in the last few years. <br />Dr. Thompson said that there were irregular shipments of spent fuel. The shipments are <br />based on an as needed basis. He said that there was a whole body of regulations far the transport <br />of spent fuel by road or rail. <br />Commissioner Gordon asked far an explanation of how far apart the assemblies were <br />currently, in the proposed configuration, and in a nuclear reactor. She commented on how close <br />the assemblies were proposed to be, namely, almost as close as in a reactor. <br />Dr. Thompson said that the assemblies were side by side in the reactor core. The rack is na <br />longer an open frame rack, but is a closed configuration with neutron absorbing material in the <br />walls of each tube. It is this close packed configuration that causes the fuel to overheat if water is <br />lost. <br />Commissioner Gordon asked for an explanation of how the backup cooling and the nuclear <br />reactor might interact. <br />Dr. Thompson said that the Harris reactor has numerous cooling systems and failure of some <br />of those systems can cause the reactor to suffer a core melt accident. He said that if electricity is <br />lost, then all of the systems fail so that the core will dry out and melt and mayor may not release <br />radioactivity into the environment. The loss of electricity will also interrupt any cooling to the spent <br />fuel pools. <br />Commissioner Gordon said that she was struck by the range of problems that could occur at <br />the plant. <br />Commissioner Jacobs made reference to how the process was stacked against those who <br />want to challenge the NRC. He asked if the NRC staff voluntarily did an environmental <br />assessment or if that was part of what Orange County has argued for to this point. <br />Dr. Thompson said that this was a question for the NRC's attorney. His recollection was that <br />the staff chose itself to perform the environmental assessment. He said that the environmental <br />assessment really said nothing of interest and was like every other that had been produced in the <br />past. <br />Commissioner Brown said that she was concerned about the evacuation plan for the Harris <br />plant. She said that the current evaluation plan was 20 years old. <br />Dr. Thompson said that off-site emergency planning regulations were introduced in 1980 as a <br />direct result of the TMI accident and were based on technical analyses that had been done in <br />1978. As a result of the requirement, every licensed plant in the country has to have an <br />emergency plan that involves state and local governments. The concern with a pool fire is more <br />towards the long-term effects from contaminating very large areas of land. There are no <br />regulations for evacuation in the event of a pool fire. <br />5. QUESTIONS ANDIOR COMMENTS FROM CITIZENS <br />Citizens were asked to write their questions on cards, which were submitted to the <br />Commissioners and read by Commissioner Brown. <br />Has the NRC ever granted an open evidentiary hearing on a similar case? Is this case <br />somewhat unique in this respect? <br />Dr. Thompson was not certain on whether an evidentiary hearing has ever been held on the <br />pool fire issue. However, the issue has been raised several times. His direct experience is that he <br />has been involved in attempts to raise the issue of pool fires. He said that this is the first time, over <br />the period of 20 years, that he has gotten anywhere close to discussing this issue in a regulatory <br />