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Approved 2/2/11 <br />670 Judith Wegner. You don't need a permit. The gist of it was, in some ways, having a permit was redundant with very closely <br />671 commissioned zoning requirements. I found that some of the very difficult stuff that trying to figure out what goes in zoning forms <br />672 and what goes in permits. I think the staff would say they like Conditional Zoning Districts because you don't have this <br />673 redundancy of the permits if you do it all closely with Conditional Use Districts, why is it you are having a permit in addition and it <br />674 would clarify for the decision makers what they are dealing with. My view was let's have both because it gives both the <br />675 legislative side and the fact finding side and protects you from challenges but there has not been much litigation about this stuff <br />676 and it may well be if you've got an elected board that is confused about which piece goes where you may walk into more <br />677 litigation. <br />678 <br />679 Craig Benedict: The conditions that are here, these SUP conditions are no more elaborate than the conditions that with <br />680 rezoning. These are redundant where those are. We are not losing anything out of all those specific standards and conditions <br />681 that need to be met are noted here. All you lose is seeing where the tree goes in the parking lot but you have the same amount <br />682 of trees. <br />683 <br />684 Samantha Cabe: I favor a little less control than most people. I am supporting the Conditional Zoning Districts because I think it <br />685 is needed. I would like to point out that I think, if in the Conditional Use, the way we have it where the BOCC approves a <br />686 rezoning with conditions and then it is up to the Special Use Permitting process whether they are met. It is more of an objective <br />687 determination whereas in the new plan, determining whether those conditions are met is purely legislative so if there is a big <br />688 uproar about it there is more description on the part of the BOCC to ax the plan. That can be a good thing or bad thing but that is <br />689 a major difference because in the Special Use Permitting process you are more likely to run into litigation. <br />690 <br />691 Marc Marcoplos: You are basing that on what has been the typical makeup of the BOCC that they may be more inclined to ax a <br />692 project. The legislative process also allows them the flexibility gives them ability to approve a project. What if a university <br />693 wanted to build a research facility to study diseases and they were going to have microbes, etc. How does a facility like that ever <br />694 get sited in your county and what conditions are met? <br />695 <br />696 Judith Wegner: Let's do one more round of any other things we would like to say about tonight's topics but I wonder could we <br />697 deal with the stream buffer issues in two weeks? Is that pushing it? <br />698 <br />699 Samantha Cabe: Going back to the issue of freaking the public out and the new zone that is listed along with the other general <br />700 use districts. In my reading of the emails, they were looking at this as the County can let anything happen on expanding the <br />701 uses. It would be helpful coming out of the gate saying that these new zoning districts are not designated without the application <br />702 and approval processes. Indicate these are not mapped until someone applies and the BOCC approves it. <br />703 <br />704 Judith Wegner: A lot of things about how things can help or hinder the standing. If you could do some shading to make it clear. <br />705 <br />706 Shannon Berry: It is already on my notes to differentiate the new districts. <br />707 <br />708 Samantha Cabe: Even though the two new definitions you have, just a conditional district definition that says it is not mapped <br />709 until that location pops up. We need to lead our discussion saying this is not going to be a zoned district that can be widely <br />710 assigned. Each individual project has to ask for the zoning and it has to go through this process. <br />711 <br />712 Craig Benedict: That will be helpful. <br />713 <br />714 Pete Hallenbeck: I'd reorganize that diagram and go from most general to most specific so when people look at it and it is <br />715 explained, then they make more sense. With regard to Conditional Districts, the concern was voiced by the citizens that you can <br />716 put anything anywhere. I think you should point out in the document that this is a BOCC approval event, it has to be consistent <br />717 with the Comprehensive Plan, it has to fit in with the area and many of these types of zoning and uses are explicitly excluded in <br />718 the rural buffer and residential areas. Regarding the Conditional Zoning Districts, I think it is important to point out that it is <br />719 faster for business. Regarding Conditional use, it is a specific site plan that is more suited for an entrepreneur effort. The MP <br />720 zoning flexibility if you have something come up that just can't be planned. Regarding the stream data, I would love it if you <br />721 could come up with information before the meeting. <br />722 <br />723 Judith Wegner: When I thought I couldn't be here tonight, I sent some information in advance. <br />724 <br />725 Pete Hallenbeck: I would love to see May write something up. <br />726 <br />727 Judith Wegner: It would help the staff to be prepared. <br />728 <br />729 Andrea Rohrbacher: I would like to see a clear explanation of the exclusions and how the conditional districts address these <br />730 exclusions because some of the speakers mentioned airports, that was scary. If we could present as to how this new process is <br />12 <br />16 <br />