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Ms. Munger said they do not break it out that way. <br /> Alderman Gist said the University libraries are another resource that's huge, and open to <br /> all students. <br /> Council Member Kleinschmidt said if they were talking about real dollars; these figures <br /> weren't really going to help them; what meaning were they going to derive from this. <br /> Ms. Munger said they were just trying to give them an overview of the two systems, and <br /> some sort of comparison of them. <br /> Council Member Greene said if the state requires this accounting, that they were all <br /> rebelling at because it seems fictional to them; that there is one universe of Orange <br /> County patrons, who do not live in Chapel Hill, and use only their Orange County library, <br /> and vice versa; Orange County doesn't meet the requirements, and the CHPL meets, or <br /> exceeds the standards. She said Chapel Hill realizes that they have all these other patrons, <br /> and need to compensate for extra users, where Orange County does not. <br /> Orange County Vice Chair Nelson said he thought Council Member Greene raised some <br /> good questions, but the bottom line was that they have two library systems in Orange <br /> County, so the numbers will be distorted. He said he was interested in getting to the point <br /> when they talk about solutions, because he believed the Chapel Hill folks were right, in <br /> that Orange County had not lived up to their obligations in terms of funding, and the <br /> Carrboro folks were right, in that Orange County had not lived up to their obligations to <br /> bring a standard of library service there. He said he was interested in getting to that point. <br /> Ms. Munger stated in terms of staffing in Orange County, only the main library meets the <br /> criteria; CHPL also meets the criteria. She said both libraries have increased in terms of <br /> circulation. <br /> Council Member Czajkowski said when comparing Chapel Hill to Orange County, the <br /> circulation per hour was a huge difference, and asked Ms. Munger to explain. <br /> Ms. Munger said the size and type of facility affects this. <br /> Council Member Czajkowski said if they were to look at the cost of the Orange County <br /> system, and divide it by circulation per hour, he said it seems the cost of circulation per <br /> hour was 10 times higher. <br /> Commissioner Gordon said to put this in perspective, the OCPL has several branches, but <br /> Chapel Hill has only one library. The CHPL is slightly larger than the main library to be <br /> opening; the current library is much smaller. She said the CHPL is an asset; they haven't <br /> increased the funding for many years, and they need to figure out how to do more <br /> because so many Orange County folks use the library that don't live in Chapel Hill. <br /> Mayor Foy asked about the age group for children that were using the library; why were <br />