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36 <br />Approved lU4/09 <br />Craig Benedict: That is a good example. The sports lighting is something we didn't have control over. <br />Mark Marcoplos: I would say since those lights work, if you put into the ordinance that if you buy this product at this height, you <br />don't need an engineer <br />Craig Benedict: On page 24, it describes the lumens output that occurs. Page 25 discusses afoot-candle. <br />Judith Wegner: Would you be more comfortable with afoot-candle definition on this page. You could put in a graphic. <br />Mark Marcoplos: Maybe lights we are all familiar with. <br />Craig Benedict: We will have architectural graphic standards. <br />Jeffrey Schmitt: We don't have an economic development in the County and if we did, we are not having them give us a <br />comprehensive lighting engineering plan. Is that $5,000.00 or $10,000? <br />Peter Hallenbeck: If you look at commercial lighting, the maker of the fixture can give you a diagram in section F so you are <br />paying someone to look at the manufacturing data and install the fixture. <br />Craig Benedict: We can give you examples. We did hire lighting engineers to certify our plans for buildings we have built. The <br />Board of County Commissioners said that even if we are building in Hillsborough we need to stay with County standards. <br />Judith Wegner: What is not covered is single family residential would not trigger that level of review. <br />Craig Benedict: On page 26, Section A refers to Urbanizing Standards. <br />Jeffrey Schmitt: How does that relate to the ordinance today? <br />Craig Benedict: This is brand new. The old one had .5 foot-candles but it did not discuss lumens per acre at all. <br />Judith Wegner: If you have a house with driveway lighting just to be safe, does that affect the setbacks from the sidelines being <br />required? <br />Craig Benedict: These standards are for non-residential and multi-family residential. The driveway lighting and parking lot <br />lighting can be accommodated with this .5 foot property line level. <br />Judith Wegner: Michael has thought through whether this would have impact in terms of commercial ormulti-family purpose, you <br />would need a larger lot size to accommodate that. <br />Larry Wright: It seems like this is alluding to light trespass but it is not in here. It can be both public and residential property. <br />Especially when you are dealing with sports fields. Then you have reflective light. <br />Judith Wegner: This is trying to set out some defined, measurable light level at the property line. <br />Larry Wright: Exactly. At the property line and you were talking about the buffers and that also encompasses light trespass <br />which is unwanted light going on to public and private property. <br />Judith Wegner: This is geared to residential and non-residential property; I assume a public site would be non-residential? <br />Craig Benedict: Yes. That's institutional. <br />Judith Wegner: Lary, I know you are working with a different concept in terms of light trespass but maybe if we leave some of <br />that for Michael to look at. My sense is that he has a method that is trying to define measurable ways that you would not have <br />that type of overflow. <br />Earl McKee: Just for my own benefit, you mentioned the Churton Grove Commercial Center and referring back to the 50,000 <br />lumens per acre, do you have any idea what that property is rated at? Is it 20,000 or 50,000? I have no idea how to relate this to <br />the real world. <br />4 <br />